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With TI starting within a month, all the websites out there seem to be doing recaps instead of making some bold predictions. I'm here to fill that void and provide you all a little blurb (mostly statistical) about each of the teams competing at TI 5 as well as my guess for where they might end up when all is said and done.
Because I don't have a clear idea of the format for this year's preliminary group stage, I can't make predictions based on those groups. Rather, this post will list out the team participating at TI 5 from best to worst. Because there are not many tournaments left until TI starts, and almost none of them contain TI playing teams, this ranking is pretty unlikely to change significantly.
Everyone please feel free to chime in and let me know what you think about your favorite or least favorite teams, as well as your own personal rankings. I'm trying to be as objective as I can, but at the same time some subjectivity is required.
All stats were taken from datdota and noxville's excellent datdota blog, which you can read here.
18. MVP.Phoenix
Second place team from the SEA qualifier, they have shown a level of dominance in SEA that is only bested by Fnatic and MVP.Hot6. That being said, MVP Phoenix is 19-45 against TI5 participants this year, and 2-5 against TI 5 opponents on 6.84 (though all games were against MVP Hot6). I don't see this team making it out of the wildcard rounds in almost any scenario.
17. MVP.Hot6
Sorry SEA, but you don't bring much to the table this year. While Hot6 looked great in the TI 5 qualifier and they are 6-4 against TI 5 participating teams, 5 of those wins come against MVP Phoenix. They are 9-10 this year against TI 5 participants, but against those come with padded stats against MVP Phoenix. They haven't played a single team at TI that isn't Fnatic or MVP Phoenix, and they don't have players that make you think they could achieve beyond their means.
16. Newbee
The returning champions have been a source of a lot of controversy surrounding their TI 5 invite, and rightfully so. Their record on the year is 123-101, second worst of the TI5 teams, and they've only won a single game since May 22nd against Butt 9. Their record against other TI 5 teams is 61-76 this year and 8-12 on this patch. In my opinion this team will be the worst team China fields this year, and China's second tier is already fairly mediocre.
15. CDEC
The Chinese qualifier runner ups, they have had the benefit of playing a lot more games than a lot of other teams on 6.84, with a 12-21 record against other TI 5 participants. While they have played well against other Chinese teams this year, they really lack in team coordination and are prone to some silly mistakes, particularly in late game situations. I just don't see them as a dangerous team and liken them somewhat to rattlesnake from TI3: a team that can dominate the tier 2 of their respective region but doesn't have much in the tank for higher competition.
14. Vega Squadron
The team that rode a hot spring all the way to a TI wildcard berth! It's good to see a bit of old talent mixed in with familiar faces on this team, and they've been playing pretty well recently. However, they hit a big wall against top level competition: they are 8-27 this year against TI5 participants, and 5-16 on this patch. However, they have only played against Empire, VP, and Na'Vi on that list recently, so it's not unexpected for them to struggle. That said, I see no way they can make it deep. They should qualify for the group stage but will end up in the bottom 6.
13. Team Archon
This team is full of hardened TI participants, and they have been playing pretty well in the American scene. They are 22-14 on this patch, but have lost every single game they've played on 6.84 against TI 5 participants (thanks coL)! They can be somewhat tough to rank given that complexity is the biggest enigma int he tournaments, but I think it's pretty clear that Archon isn't quite on their level. They have the individual talent to take them far and their support duo is pretty good. They win a lot of games with QoP, if you ban out QoP and SF they lose a lot of their firepower as a team. They should make it through the wildcards to the main event, but after that they'll probably end up in the bottom 6 of the table.
12. Na'Vi
The team that never misses TI! While saddled with a great dota 2 history, they have failed to meet anyone's expectations this year. They went 46-60 against TI 5 participants this year, and have a 12-14 record against TI teams on this patch (and that's with a 7-1 record against Vega in the TI 5 qualifiers, which puts them at 5-13 against the others. As much as one might like to believe in resurgences, this team is probably doomed to be mediocre. However, they do have some extremely talented players on their roster, so a return to form is not impossible. Just unlikely.
11. EHome
Old school powerhouse team with a lot to prove. They have some great individual talent in RotK and Lanm, but they have just been hammered by other TI teams with year with an overall record of 29-48 against them. Their stats for this patch have been padded by games against CDEC, but they have the potential to beat some top teams. That said, I just don't see them making major waves. Could finish in the top 8 if everything breaks right, but it's unlikely.
10. Complexity
This team is by far the hardest team to rank in the entire field. While many of you may not have watched the American Qualifiers, I highly suggest you do just to see how badly this team dominated them. I don't know what to do with these guys, and the roster has changed so much since they've complied their stats (and they haven't played any tournaments since). I wouldn't be surprised if they flop and end up in the bottom six, but I also wouldn't put a top 8 or even top 6 out of the question if they come out like they did against the american qualifier teams (seriously, go watch it; it's brutal). Noxville's ELO ratings have them at 7th in the world right now (!).
9. Virtus Pro
Now we're starting to get to teams that I think are a legitimate chance to make some noise. Virtus Pro has been 37-23 on this patch but only 19-18 against TI 5 invited teams. They seem to split evenly with teams like Fnatic while beating Na'Vi and Vega pretty regularly and they can beat Empire on a good day, but they struggle against the likes of Butt 9 / Secret / EG. I'd say this is a good spot for them and they could be a real threat for the top 6 if they get good draws.
8. Fnatic
This team should be so much better than it is. With remnants of the old TI3 favorites Orange eSports, they have the potential to really do well. That said, they have a terrible support duo, and have basically jammed 4 carries and one hard support on a single team. They always dominate early game but struggle to hold their advantage late. They also haven't been performing well on this patch with a 17-17 overall record and a 6-12 record against TI 5 invited teams on this patch. If they can figure out the patch, they have the raw player talent to top 8 and potentially make it as high as 4th, but I see that outcome as unlikely.
7. iG
Burning's new squad has had one of their worst years in recent memory: 98-102 against TI 5 teams this year, and 17-23 on this patch. Many of those games come at the hands of Secret, Empire, and LGD, but they have been problems none the less. iG is also having problems with this patch in general: they are 31-29 in this patch, which is second worst of all teams. Sadly for Burning, I don't expect a high finish from them this year. I don't think they have much chance to do better than this, but I also don't think it's really possible for them to do worse.
6. Butt 9
If TI was held on patch 6.83, they would be near the top of the ranking. Alas, they have struggled to adjust to the patch. They have a 20-16 record this patch, with a 14-14 record against other TI 5 teams. That said, they are certified Russian killers and I would bet on them to be any CIS team in the tournament. They are also 90-75 against TI 5 teams during the entire season, so if they can figure out their patch problems they could make it as high as 3rd place. I feel that top 8 is pretty assured, but anything higher might be a struggle for these guys.
5. VG
They have been sliding, and could slide right off the top 8 table with some bad luck and a few screw ups. VG is 134-84 against TI 5 teams this year (which is second best among all participants), but 20-25 on this patch. fy and Fenrir have been under performing compared to their expectations (it seems that immortal can in fact bleed), which puts them at 8th overall. Even with the slide, they have some of the best players in the world and thus can make a legitimate run at the TI5 crown with a return to form and some good luck. I think betting odds have favored VG too heavily, they are a terrible value bet at this point.
4. Empire
I personally believe that the true challengers for the TI 5 title start here. Empire has been on a role with 1st or 2nd places in each of their recent LAN tournaments, beating EG at MLG, LGD and VG at Mars Dota 2 League, and being 18-15 against TI 5 teams on this patch even with a terrible group stage at Mars Dota 2 League. They are not without weaknesses: they seem to have a lot of trouble with VP on certain days, and they can NEVER beat C9 or Secret. If Empire gets to feast on the Asian teams and doesn't have the unfortunate draw of getting Secret in the winner's bracket followed by C9 in the loser's bracket, then I expect them to slay Chinese, SEA, and American teams all the way to a top 4 finish. This is your CIS hope this year folks!
3. LGD Gaming
In my opinion, the best Chinese team this year. They have gotten hot at the right time, with a 25-18 record on this patch against TI 5 teams, which if you exclude coL and MVP Hot6 due to sample size puts them at second place behind Secret. They have been playing some great Dota 2, and they have some of the best individual talent on earth as well as probably the second best captain. This is the Chinese threat to the TI 5 title!
2. Evil Geniuses
Led by ppd, arguably the best captain in the world, they have been on fire since DAC with only a few hiccups in between. While only 22-16 on this patch, they are 18-14 against TI 5 teams on 6.84 and 86-59 against TI 5 teams on the year. While they are prone to bad games, they very rarely lose series to any team in tournaments. Assuming that the group stage makes EG play 14 or 15 games, they will be in the top two of the group stages. From there it's all about outplaying their opponents and solid drafting. Universe, Fear, and Aui are all top 3 players at their respective positions, so they are capable of winning games even when out drafted.
1. Team Secret
No contest. Multiple LAN victories in a row, 167-51 on the year, 36-9 on this patch, 35-9 against TI 5 teams (all bests if you discount coL's small sample size). This is the best team in the world up to this point, and they are potentially the largest favorite TI has ever had. If they don't get 1st place at TI it will be the single biggest upset in TI history, with the possible exception of Orange's run at TI 3. That's how fucking good they are.
Potential Upsets
1. Fnatic - Most potential in spite of terrible recent play. If they figure out the patch and get their support duo rolling, they have the individual talent to be top 4. The way they dominate games early and lose games late is pretty amazing to watch.
2. Complexity - They are the most mysterious TI team ever. ELO rankings all seem to love this team but with so few games played I think it's anyone's guess how good they actually are. They dominated the American qualifiers on a level not seen in any of the other qualifiers.
3. Virtus Pro - This ranking for them is an average. They have been shown to beat Empire and lose to MVP Phoenix, so who knows?
Hope you guys enjoyed this rather long read. Let me know what you think!
-MetalMercury
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the fact nar2 is above nb already makes this list awful
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On July 10 2015 04:58 Thetwinmasters wrote: the fact nar2 is above nb already makes this list awful yeah there's no way newbee is gonna do worse than Nar, and VG should be higher than LGD. Also as much as I love the american team pride complexity should be waaaaay down that list (to name a few)
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We'll see what form Newbee brings to the table. I don't know how I feel about LGD being the 3rd-best team going into this TI though, but we'll have to see.
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My thoughts at the moment,
Teams that can win it all: 1- secret 2- eg 3- vg 4- lgd --------- Teams that can make top 5: 5- c9 6- ig 7- empire 8- vp --------- Teams that can make top 10: 9- na'vi 10- fnatic 11- ehome 12- col 13- vega 14- cdec --------- The rest: 15- newbee 16- archon 17- mvp 18- mvp
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u IDIOTS CLOUD 9 #1 CLOUD NINE CLOUD NINE CLOUD NINE
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I don't think the "c9 struggling to adapt to the patch" has much merit. If I compare their performance to the last patch, I don't see a change for the worse. Last patch they struggled quite a bit online after DAC, but then found their stride. However, this only meant that they crushed their way through qualifiers to different tournaments, and beat teams like Empire, VP, HR, Alliance, NiP etc. When they played Secret in Redbull quals they lost. When they went to SL12 they beat TT and Alliance with relative ease but lost to VG and iG.
In this patch they haven't played that much online (and when they have played they have advanced in Dotapit), and on LAN they played at Summit 3 where they lost to VG and lost the more important series to EG after beating them earlier, at MarsTV they beat Empire and EHOME in groups (dropped a few bo1 games as well), then beat iG and VG in the bo3 stage and lost to Secret. And at ESL they had that 1-2 loss to iG. So if they don't have as good of a record win percentage wise in this patch, it's mainly just due to the stats not being padded by them not playing that many "not top5 in the world" teams. They've played in 3 LANs, most of their games there are against very strong opposition, and they won some of them and lost some of them. But I don't think one can say that in the last patch they clearly looked stronger, if you take into account who they've actually lost to.
But it remains to be seen whether they can up their game a bit before TI. They've traded series with iG and EG in this patch, they beat VG last time they met, and they do well against teams like Empire and VP, so at least in my view it doesn't take that much improvement for them to suddenly be a real contender for a very high placing.
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Why ppl keep putting C9 above iG when they always narrowly eliminate C9 out of the tournaments in recent times :/
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On July 10 2015 10:11 vndestiny wrote: Why ppl keep putting C9 above iG when they always narrowly eliminate C9 out of the tournaments in recent times :/ julmust logic. The team that loses is stronger.
But really, I think C9 and iG each have one elimination win against each other in 6.84 tournaments (Mars and ESL).
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On July 10 2015 06:46 teddyoojo wrote: u IDIOTS CLOUD 9 #1 CLOUD NINE CLOUD NINE CLOUD NINE a true disciple
well except that its not anime enough
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Puppey and s4 first two-time TI winners in history incoming. c:
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On July 10 2015 10:11 vndestiny wrote: Why ppl keep putting C9 above iG when they always narrowly eliminate C9 out of the tournaments in recent times :/
C9 beat iG at DAC (group-stages - BO1)
iG eliminated C9 at SL XII (2-1)
C9 eliminated iG at MarsTV D2L (2-1)
iG eliminated C9 at ESL Frankfurt (2-1)
bolded results = 6.84
almost like iG don't always narrowly eliminate C9, + the matches are always close anyway, it's not like one team stands tall over the other
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Well similarly one could ask how can anyone put Empire above c9 when they seemingly never can beat c9? But it should be obvious that just A > B in their head-to-head games doesn't mean that A > B against everyone else. Like for example Empire has shown that they can do well against a bunch of the other top teams, so they indeed have a good chance at a strong placing at TI. And as noted above, c9 and iG have traded games and the series that c9 lost have always been close, so it's not like iG has dominated the head-to-head matchup either.
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i fucking love lgd but you may have rated them too high
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On July 10 2015 15:19 goody153 wrote: i fucking love lgd but you may have rated them too high thats what happens when you get a ranking based on noxville ELO and personal bias.
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On July 10 2015 15:19 goody153 wrote: i fucking love lgd but you may have rated them too high
Lgd deserved to be there. They have been quietly performing in recent weeks. They look very strong atm. Don't judge the team based on based how they were in the summit.
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On July 10 2015 16:41 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 15:19 goody153 wrote: i fucking love lgd but you may have rated them too high Lgd deserved to be there. They have been quietly performing in recent weeks. They look very strong atm. Don't judge the team based on based how they were in the summit. It's not just The Summit you forgot that MDL also happened they were still not good enough on that tournament to even beat empire.
They are doing against chinese teams and i would say that's a good sign if this was pre-TI4 but this is pre-TI5 west is owning and they are not owning anybody from the west.
You know honestly i'd like to put lgd high enough but top 6 for them would be the most the best they'd make.
Unless you're biased enough to ignore that they haven't done anything good against the actual contenders for the aegis then obviously they don't deserve the top 3 on this list
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On July 10 2015 14:57 spudde123 wrote: Well similarly one could ask how can anyone put Empire above c9 when they seemingly never can beat c9? But it should be obvious that just A > B in their head-to-head games doesn't mean that A > B against everyone else. Like for example Empire has shown that they can do well against a bunch of the other top teams, so they indeed have a good chance at a strong placing at TI. And as noted above, c9 and iG have traded games and the series that c9 lost have always been close, so it's not like iG has dominated the head-to-head matchup either.
Empire wins tournaments.
C9 doesn't.
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On July 10 2015 19:02 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 14:57 spudde123 wrote: Well similarly one could ask how can anyone put Empire above c9 when they seemingly never can beat c9? But it should be obvious that just A > B in their head-to-head games doesn't mean that A > B against everyone else. Like for example Empire has shown that they can do well against a bunch of the other top teams, so they indeed have a good chance at a strong placing at TI. And as noted above, c9 and iG have traded games and the series that c9 lost have always been close, so it's not like iG has dominated the head-to-head matchup either. Empire wins tournaments. C9 doesn't.
Yeah but technically the only tournaments that empire won aren't even top heavy. Meaning not everyone from secret/c9/eg/ig/lgd/vg are there. Like the two tournaments they won only has eg on one tournament and vg on the other tournament.
Any tournament that doesn't have at least 3-6 teams of eg/vg/c9/ig/lgd/secret more importantly eg and secret being on that tournament. That tournament doesn't really matter. What good it is to win against VP or NIP or navi when c9/secret/eg owns them majority of the time.
And outside from they can't even take a game of c9 or unable to beat secret they aren't very consistent against other teams either.
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On July 10 2015 19:02 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 14:57 spudde123 wrote: Well similarly one could ask how can anyone put Empire above c9 when they seemingly never can beat c9? But it should be obvious that just A > B in their head-to-head games doesn't mean that A > B against everyone else. Like for example Empire has shown that they can do well against a bunch of the other top teams, so they indeed have a good chance at a strong placing at TI. And as noted above, c9 and iG have traded games and the series that c9 lost have always been close, so it's not like iG has dominated the head-to-head matchup either. Empire wins tournaments. C9 doesn't.
Not sure what you are trying to point out, but my point was pretty much the same as you now repeated. I was commenting on someone asking how can iG be below c9 if iG > c9 constantly (which is really not the case but anyway). Similarly c9 > Empire constantly, yet Empire has shown that they can do well against a bunch of the other teams, so I don't think putting Empire above c9 is a "mistake" really.
Though personally I don't think it has much to do with them "winning tournaments", but just that they've beaten EG, VG in two tournaments, and LGD in bo3's in the last few months. One can say that they win tournaments, but in the end none of the tournaments they won were actually very competitive except for the final. But if their final opponents were weaker, them winning those tournaments wouldn't really mean much when comparing them to the best teams.
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This TI is 2ez4CTY. #1 Ehome, #2 VG everybody else is whatever ~~
That said this TI might be boring if Secret just stomps everyone.
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Lmao at CoL and NAR being higher than Newbee and CDEC of all people.
Easy predictions - bottom 4: NaVi, NAR, Vega/MVP 2, MVP 1. Four chinese teams top8
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My head says Secret will win, but my heart yearns for Jacky Mao.
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do you not pay any attention to the chinese scene
ehome cdec nb are all squarely in top 10. cdec and ehome have the most potential to make it into the top 5 i think. fnatic archon/nar empire col are all overvalued in this powerrank, especially the latter two
i think the mvp duo are going to place much higher than you predict, and mvp.p stand a good chance of making it out of wildcard but it's hard to say.
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On July 11 2015 04:00 andyrau wrote: do you not pay any attention to the chinese scene
ehome cdec nb are all squarely in top 10. cdec and ehome have the most potential to make it into the top 5 i think. fnatic archon/nar empire col are all overvalued in this powerrank, especially the latter two
i think the mvp duo are going to place much higher than you predict, and mvp.p stand a good chance of making it out of wildcard but it's hard to say.
I'm glad this post has started some discussion across everyone! I'll try to defend some of my choices, but there are some good things you all have pointed out.
1. I'm probably too high on Team Archon. I think you can move them as far down as 16th and I'd accept that ranking no questions asked, but I think they are better than some teams present.
2. I'm really down on Newbee, and I think for good reason. A list of their last few matches is as follows:
2-1 loss to HGT 1-0 loss to EHome 1-0 win over C9 1-0 loss to Empire 1-0 loss to VG 2-0 loss to Fnatic 2-0 win over iG 2-1 loss to LGD 0-1 loss to CDEC
It doesn't really inspire much confidence in them. Maybe I"m a bit skewed against some of the poor performance of the Chinese teams in tournaments since all they play is top tier competition (mostly), but at the same time it's hard to find space for some Chinese teams in the top 10, especially with the good recent performances of Virtus Pro and Empire. If you put those two teams in the top 10, then you've got Secret / EG / VG / iG / LGD / VP / Empire in the top 10 on pretty much everyone's list, and the remaining spots are a dogfight between C9, Fnatic, EHome, Newbee, CDEC, and complexity. They can't all be top 10, and China's field after the big three is pretty weak compared to previous years.
3. I think ELO is pretty good metric, but it has trouble with the small sample size of some of the teams. I don't think the information ELO provides us should be discarded, particularly when that information is counter to our own expectations or biases. I think Noxville's article is a great place to start for analyzing what might happen come The International.
What would everyone's personal power rankings be?
Also, on an unrelated note, does anyone know when the group stage games start? I know the actual tournament starts on August 3rd at Key Arena but I have to imagine they're doing some sort of group stage but there's no information I can find on the website or liquidpedia.
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I also agree that its hard to see china sneaking in more than 2 in the top 8....but i have no doubt at least one of the chinese teams will show up big....problem is figuring out which one. I was hoping to see LGD blow CDEC out of the water last night but that didnt happen TT
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On July 11 2015 08:03 MetalMercury wrote: Also, on an unrelated note, does anyone know when the group stage games start? I know the actual tournament starts on August 3rd at Key Arena but I have to imagine they're doing some sort of group stage but there's no information I can find on the website or liquidpedia.
It would be silly if there are no group stages, but the information doesn't seem readily available, also Chobra announcing that he's hosting the group stage would imply that there is one as well. The only thing I could find is it starting on July 29th, from this Reddit thread. The thread gives no source, so it might just assume that the groups will take 3 days like last year.
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On July 11 2015 12:49 bumwithagun wrote: I also agree that its hard to see china sneaking in more than 2 in the top 8....but i have no doubt at least one of the chinese teams will show up big....problem is figuring out which one. I was hoping to see LGD blow CDEC out of the water last night but that didnt happen TT Would not be surprised to see 3-4 Chinese teams in the top 8, if you're relying on VP, Na'vi and Fnatic to eliminate them.
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I think VP and NB need to be higher. Nice writeup though.
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I think fnatic would do badly. Pretty certain actually. They don't look good enough.
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On July 12 2015 14:21 DucK- wrote: I think fnatic would do badly. Pretty certain actually. They don't look good enough. I think Fnatic deserve to be ranked that high because the non-Invite teams look bad enough to be ranked that low.
Newbee will probably finish poorly. Na'vi, CDEC and coL could probably do some surprising things that mess with the main event seeding. But 9/10 of the invite teams look at least strong enough to be the top 10.
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@MetalMecury
I know people are going to have personal biases but no matter how little you think of SEA, Hot6 is at least 16th. They are already in the actual event. The only teams that can place 17th and 18th are the wild card teams.
- Putting Complexity and Team Archon ahead of Cdec and Newbee on a LAN is a reach regardless of form.
This year TI is forcefully much more open than last few years with the biggest patch in terms of content in a long time right before TI. Would have been ideal if the items are eased in over the year so they could be adjusted (if needed) but I guess they couldn't do that until they dialled back the disastrous Comeback Mechanic. Hopefully we don't have whiners come out of the wood work if a team not named Secret, EG or Navi finds a super strong way to use the new items and interactions and "abuse" it to win.
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On July 12 2015 14:21 DucK- wrote: I think fnatic would do badly. Pretty certain actually. They don't look good enough. it depends on their bootcamp in europe because it could shape their entire playstyle to be better or worse depending on whatever draft insanity mushi concludes from it. skill+draft-wise they're pretty bad but they're in the same boat as ti3 where it could come together to make a string of upsets
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On July 12 2015 15:27 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 14:21 DucK- wrote: I think fnatic would do badly. Pretty certain actually. They don't look good enough. I think Fnatic deserve to be ranked that high because the non-Invite teams look bad enough to be ranked that low. Newbee will probably finish poorly. Na'vi, CDEC and coL could probably do some surprising things that mess with the main event seeding. But 9/10 of the invite teams look at least strong enough to be the top 10.
I would favour cdec navi and ehome over them. I think they would struggle for top 10. Probably end up 11-12. That's my prediction and opinion we'll see about that!
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coL has the basic team lineup they've had throughout much of their moba/HoN history. Can't wait to see how those guys do going up against the best in the world at Dota2 in THE premier ($15m+) tournament.
Even if I disagree with some of these rankings (coL is WAY too high, but that might be my personal bias), reading this blog is getting me excited for TI... thinking I might have to schedule some vacation from Aug 3 - Aug 8 B-)
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On July 14 2015 00:16 pNRG wrote: coL has the basic team lineup they've had throughout much of their moba/HoN history. Can't wait to see how those guys do going up against the best in the world at Dota2 in THE premier ($15m+) tournament.
Even if I disagree with some of these rankings (coL is WAY too high, but that might be my personal bias), reading this blog is getting me excited for TI... thinking I might have to schedule some vacation from Aug 3 - Aug 8 B-)
I'm glad! I wasn't trying to generate agreement as much as hype.
I honestly don't know what to expect from complexity, literally every game of theirs I've watched since TI 5 qualifiers started has been an absolute stomp. I think they're one of the legitimate picks for surprise of the tournament, along with Fnatic and Virtus Pro.
As for SEA, this is a power ranking not an expected finish. Regardless of the fact that they can't finish in 17th place, I don't think Hot6 is better than any of the teams above them in the power rankings. But that's personal opinion! There is of course the potential for every team to do well, which is why we watch. In the end, I'm just excited for some super dota; hopefully the best we've ever seen!
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Yes, this year it's gonna be awesome. But I think EG will scrap out a close finale against Secret. PPD is slightly better drafter than Puppey + S4 sometimes loses his touch when under-pressure, fear is a very flexible carry. Sumail has traded blows to Arteezy in many games mid.. So, its all about control. It will be all about the drafting, and PPD is the best out there when it comes to that...
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I'd only really agree with the top 2. Everything else is way too wonky for a consensus prediction. From 3 all the way down, teams become unstable - they're either really good (in which case, a prime VG would likely vault into top 2 contention), or hilariously bad (aka uncoordinated).
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On July 14 2015 13:17 Caladbolg wrote: I'd only really agree with the top 2. Everything else is way too wonky for a consensus prediction. From 3 all the way down, teams become unstable - they're either really good (in which case, a prime VG would likely vault into top 2 contention), or hilariously bad (aka uncoordinated). Our flairs reflect this Also I hope that someone will have the "raped by Mushi" sign lol
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I amend my previous rankings; Team Archon is now worse than everyone else at TI 5.
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Here is your Power Ranking:
The International 2015 - Main Event Winner
1. Team Secret 1.961 2. Evil Geniuses 4.340 3. Vici Gaming 10.300 4. LGD Gaming 14.300 5. Cloud 9 15.260 6. Invictus Gaming 16.550 7. Virtus Pro 17.250 8. Empire 17.680 9. Natus Vincere 39.930 10. EHOME 52.570 11. CDEC 52.710 12. Newbee 94.050 13. Fnatic 109.030 14. MVP Hot6 327.710 15. Vega Squadron 327.710 16. Complexity 763.650 17. MVP Phoenix 966.500 18. Team Archon 1930.720
Courtesy of Pinnacle Sports.
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I'm a little surprised at Complexity and Fnatic's placing though their odds seem reasonable. I think Newbee is overvalued, Empire is undervalued, but LGD / C9 / iG / VP / Empire are all without 3 of each other on the odds table, so it's not a big difference. I'm surprised that VG is getting so much action from pinnacle given their recent form, but they have a lot of talent.
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Yeah Archon... MVP gifted them a game too lol.
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