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It's a typical losing game of Dota. Pudge lost mid to Viper, the enemy Void got his levels in the offlane, and your Bloodseeker got a bunch of farm but couldn't win fights. You're respawning after losing a fight at your own barracks when the Bloodseeker speaks up in all-chat.
"Report Pudge". Maybe he adds something about feeding.
It seems innocuous enough. But the motives and consequences of that statement are rotten.
Motives Why would a player ask for a report in the first place, rather than just reporting? Maybe they're just out of reports when they see something genuinely report-worthy. Or maybe they think the breach is so bad that just one report would be insufficient. But the former case implies that the requester has already made 6 bad reports this week, so their judgment shouldn't be trusted. And in the latter case, someone else surely would have dropped a report anyway.
Furthermore, if they even give a reason, it's often either a vague 'feeding' notice or outside of any of the three official report categories. And even then, I've seen players lie about feeding being intentional, or at the very least, severely mis-assess it.
But that doesn't mean there's no reason. Reports are the power to punish someone. To request a report is to tell 8 other people to punish their teammate, often the weakest player in the game.
Report requests are a form of bullying. Their purpose is to elevate the social standing of the requester at the expense of the victim.
How to respond Don't report the victim. Don't ever request a report, except maybe in the form of telling someone which player's buying couriers to feed, after they ask you. Ignoring the situation is not great either. Sometimes you're busy playing and don't have a chance to respond. But the victim can't tell the difference between silence and a report. The correct response is to threaten to report the requester. A report request for bullying purposes is abusive communication, so tell them so. Silently filing a report is less effective; it might mute them, but it won't change their behavior and it certainly won't help the current victim.
Finally, these things are not grounds for a report: *Bad strategy *Bad execution *Getting caught out of position a lot *Stealing kills and/or CS *Picking Techies, the 4th carry or whatever is popular to hate right now *Being unambiguously at fault for losing your team the game, as long as it's due to incompetence.
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Honestly, I usually report the guy asking for people to report someone. In general, the guy asking for reports is usually the big mouth who has been verbally abusing everyone the whole game anyway, and 95% of the time they are just picking on the most incompetent player that game who as you said, usually doesn't deserve to be reported.
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I thought the report function was to report players in ranked mmr captains mode that gave up and start force staffing their team mates into bad positions on purpose. Not players playing All Practice(all pick) and trying out new hero's O_o
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quantity of reports don't matter anyway. If you really want someone punished bait them in to racial slurs in their nerdrage moment lol. otherwise you're just wasting your report quota.
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I regret reading this. My head hurts from trying to cope with this stupidity.
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On September 24 2014 05:23 Buckyman wrote: Finally, these things are not grounds for a report: *Bad strategy *Bad execution *Getting caught out of position a lot *Stealing kills and/or CS *Picking Techies, the 4th carry or whatever is popular to hate right now *Being unambiguously at fault for losing your team the game, as long as it's due to incompetence. I agree. Those things are not grounds for a report, they are grounds for a slow and painful death. Scum who ruin decent people's dota experience are waste of life.
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On September 24 2014 09:01 Trustworthy-Tony wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 05:23 Buckyman wrote: Finally, these things are not grounds for a report: *Bad strategy *Bad execution *Getting caught out of position a lot *Stealing kills and/or CS *Picking Techies, the 4th carry or whatever is popular to hate right now *Being unambiguously at fault for losing your team the game, as long as it's due to incompetence. I agree. Those things are not grounds for a report, they are grounds for a slow and painful death. Scum who ruin decent people's dota experience are waste of life.
You do know that being bad at the game is not a reportable offense for Valve right? Get your MMR higher if you wanna only have people that know what they're doing at all times to play with you. Oh wait, even at high MMR this won't happen, this is DotA and people suck. Also, why all the mindless hate, makes you look like you just got into high school.
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sometimes people who are playing badly are not even bad at the game, they're just having a bad day
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ppl listen to those guys?
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On September 24 2014 16:55 Targe wrote: ppl listen to those guys? My thoughts exactly, to be honest.
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Yes, more often than not, the guy allchatting asking for a report is the biggest douche
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On September 24 2014 19:46 ahswtini wrote: Yes, more often than not, the guy allchatting asking for a report is the biggest douche
All this talk about reports made me click on report instead of quote.
OT: I tried arguing with guys which were asking to report people who just played terrible in a game. I gave up on that long ago because if someone really asks you to report someone for something that is totally not a valid reason (like the stuff in the op) they are probably so mad already that any reasonable argument is totally lost on them.
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I recall a game in which a last pick 4th carry skeleton king (long may he reign) took my lane (a randomed 1st pick ember) and fed for the first half of the game. Calls for reports abound.
As we reached late game my lack of farm dropped me to dead weight and old skele carried us to the win. All was forgotten and the report caller ended up baying for my blood instead.
Report callers are indiscriminate fools raised in a blame passing society. They are to be pitied.
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On September 24 2014 21:42 hoepie wrote: I recall a game in which a last pick 4th carry skeleton king (long may he reign) took my lane (a randomed 1st pick ember) and fed for the first half of the game. Calls for reports abound.
As we reached late game my lack of farm dropped me to dead weight and old skele carried us to the win. All was forgotten and the report caller ended up baying for my blood instead.
Report callers are indiscriminate fools raised in a blame passing society. They are to be pitied. Nice comment
Maybe Valve should allow reporting on players' parents.
Edit: I think OP has a great message. The bullying factor should be mitigated by standing up for the bullied person.
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Getting rid of my weekly reports most of the times takes me about 3-4 games.
So ~6 days a week i'm totally immune to the "Report pls" crowd :p
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I'll report people who ruin games regardless of how and why.
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It's kinda hilarious how many people don't realize that only one report per game counts
I usually just instamute people who start spamming "report xyz" if I don't already have allchat disabled. That's the "correct" response I think
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On September 25 2014 12:07 shizaep wrote: It's kinda hilarious how many people don't realize that only one report per game counts
Do you actually have any (actual) proof that only one report per game counts? This is my first time hearing about this.
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Getting 6 russians in 2 games takes up all your reports for a week, there is no bad judgement there, just a tremendous lack reports for the people that continuously violate the language settings.
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Most of my reports seem to result in action being taken. This makes me feel warm inside.
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On September 25 2014 23:01 drsnuggles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 12:07 shizaep wrote: It's kinda hilarious how many people don't realize that only one report per game counts
Do you actually have any (actual) proof that only one report per game counts? This is my first time hearing about this.
I thought it was implemented long time ago.
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isn't this common sense? anyone remotely familiar with the actual scenario of the game would be competent enough to know where the actual fault lies based on the picks, the events & current scenarios. the fact of the matter is the people who are more aware of the actions of others than their own in this game are not worthy to address and should be assumed to be low iq. any good player is always focused on their own play to and what course of actions they could take to consistently increase their team's probability of success.
you drain more mental energy & focus dealing with petty arguments & idiocy. what you can do is mute all chat and merely play, use chat commands. i'm more for efficiency & winning so this won't appeal to most people. but anything that can cause you to tilt or hinder your focus should be removed entirely imo, why should you even remotely allow anyone else's opinion to rob you of your focus & influence your performance? language is more than merely words, there is a vast amount of emotion hidden behind the context.
what's surprising to me is how you take this one scenario so personally. the moral of it is passive aggressiveness that results from ignorance. heck it can merely be from simple dislike or disdain, i'll report someone based on if they are capable of performing up to my standards (pure bias) or if i merely dislike someone for something they said if i didn't use mute all chat. tbh it's not that big of a deal, and if you think it is you live in such a small world. take a look around you at all faucets communication and tell me this type of behavior is not abused on consistent basis?
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On September 24 2014 06:12 TheEmulator wrote: Honestly, I usually report the guy asking for people to report someone. In general, the guy asking for reports is usually the big mouth who has been verbally abusing everyone the whole game anyway, and 95% of the time they are just picking on the most incompetent player that game who as you said, usually doesn't deserve to be reported. I do the same. Usually the guy calling for a report is the guy who flamed his team all game long. They dont realize that motivation is a big factor for winning and they are causing the team to break apart. The call for the report is usually the the straw that breaks the camel's back, the camel being my patience.
Those are about as annoying as the guys who write "gg we lost" into all chat 3 minutes in after loosing their lane and continue doing so. Thanks to the report system I get the flamer less though.
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I mentally translate "report hero X" to "i am a drooling idiot and i'm going to blame hero X for losing this game. taking responsibility myself is a completely foreign idea to me. gg finish fast pls."
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If anything I report people who don't speak any English for playing on the English server, but only if they've also been a jerk. For some reason US west is pretty decent for the most part.
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@Serpest I don't think the language barriers should be an issue. I'm sure if latency wasn't a factor a large amount of English speaking players would play on Chinese servers. It should be more so based on the behavior of the player. You don't need to speak the same language to tell your team to rosh or to defend. There are players that generally don't care about the success of the team as a whole and those who do.
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I usually don't report my teammates unless they are purposely trying to make you mad/feed on purpose/trolling with abilities/raging at other teammates for no reason. I do however suggest to the enemy team that they should report some of their players sometimes... Last night there was a guy on their team typing in all chat all game long, saying his teammates were bad, complaining about how we were bad for killing him all the time, etc... he deserved a report from his team IMO because he spent more time typing than he did actually trying to win the game.
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There are scenarios where an enemy player doesn't show up on the map for several minutes or runs into your tower and holds position. Then someone on the enemy team pipes up with "report, they're deliberately feeding."
I report in that situation. It happens pretty often.
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On September 29 2014 06:16 NoUseForANameX3 wrote: @Serpest I don't think the language barriers should be an issue. I'm sure if latency wasn't a factor a large amount of English speaking players would play on Chinese servers. It should be more so based on the behavior of the player. You don't need to speak the same language to tell your team to rosh or to defend. There are players that generally don't care about the success of the team as a whole and those who do. I can understand Russians coming to EU West, but that doesnt make it more pleasant. I think dota is more fun if the people get along well and that's basically impossible if you cant understand a word they are writing/saying. Playing with a constantly communicating team of four who dont speak your language also makes you often feel like the outsider on your "own" server, which is actually terrible for a team game.
So is communication abuse justified? I think so. That being said being muted wont change much for a person who on average isnt understood by 3/4 of his team anyways.
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On September 27 2014 19:57 BoesFX wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 23:01 drsnuggles wrote:On September 25 2014 12:07 shizaep wrote: It's kinda hilarious how many people don't realize that only one report per game counts
Do you actually have any (actual) proof that only one report per game counts? This is my first time hearing about this. I thought it was implemented long time ago. For reference: http://blog.dota2.com/2013/05/communication-reports/ (Although that seems to be down right now)
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