TI is a marketing instrument first and entertainment second, both benefit more from the hype of making five people millionaires rather than some idealized notion of a fair way to distribute millions of dollars over a couple dozen games over two weeks.
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
TI is a marketing instrument first and entertainment second, both benefit more from the hype of making five people millionaires rather than some idealized notion of a fair way to distribute millions of dollars over a couple dozen games over two weeks. | ||
GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
On July 15 2014 10:37 Soap wrote: A fairer way would be to split the prizepool by region and distribute it to the teams according to their winrates against each other throughout the year. Also would save on the costs of running a huge tournament in Seattle. TI is a marketing instrument first and entertainment second, both benefit more from the hype of making five people millionaires rather than some idealized notion of a fair way to distribute millions of dollars over a couple dozen games over two weeks. I think it's also a way for Valve to sort of prop up the pro scene. Valve benefits from an active pro scene the same way Riot does. While Riot directly seeds a large number of events, Valve pretty much puts all its eggs in the basket of the international. Selling tickets in game client is another way So it's not necessarily about an idealized or fair way of spreading out money, it's about balancing a huge big prize and lots of hype with the desire to bring as much stability into the pro scene as possible | ||
misirlou
Portugal3227 Posts
On July 15 2014 09:54 GeneralStan wrote: Just like NBA players would retire after they get paid millions for their rookie season. OH WAIT Watch the alliance team profile video. Then come back to me. | ||
DucK-
Singapore11444 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
On July 15 2014 09:54 GeneralStan wrote: Just like NBA players would retire after they get paid millions for their rookie season. OH WAIT NBA players get paid regardless, win or lose. They get a SALARY. The prize distribution is utterly stupid for one reason: Best of 1. | ||
emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
In most Poker tourneys, 1st place takes home nearly half the prize pool, usually more than half. This is true of most sports that run without a unified league or seasonal scoring system. Tennis is the exception that proves the rule, even still its a pretty big pay jump at Wimbledon from 1st to 2nd (double) and 3rd half again, down to almost 1/10th for going out in the first round. If you didn't make the main event, you still get paid but its down to 1% of the winners money. TI is about hype, its the center piece of the dota year, its THE tournament to win, no one cares who came second. Careers are made, teams are broken, its what everyone works toward all year. There are other tournaments to make your living off, TI is about prestige. Its about taking home that massive first prize. Yes they could shave a little off the top to give to the lower teams but then it won't make any real difference. Most of the top 16 teams are doing just fine money wise, they've all had good finishes in other tournaments or else they wouldn't be there. I'd much rather see teams making their money playing the rest of the year and TI be about what it is, hype and prestige, fighting to go home a millionaire. | ||
Rainling
United States456 Posts
IMO it's more important to foster a deep and sustainable environment for pros rather than make headlines with large prizes and give money to teams that "deserve it" more. Like PPD said, no team is deserving of a $5 million dollar prize. | ||
ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On July 15 2014 09:35 Rho_ wrote: Who the hell is gonna retire after a $1 million payday for playing a game? If you just won, why not run it back for another year and try to do it again? If anything, this pay structure seems likely to stagnate the top few teams while generating massive turnover in the lower teams. I think the split is overly punitive for the lower teams. The tennis prize splits that someone linked earlier is pretty interesting, as it seems much more egalitarian. Personally, I would aim for something in between. Everyone's gotta eat. We're nearing the age where there is no raw skill advantage, there's only strats, experience and infrastructure advantage. Look at WPC ACE League for example. Never in history of Chinese dota tier 2-3 teams took so many games from tier 1 ones, and for good reason - after TI4 the shuffle is inevitable, and the best players can easily make into the Big Five team. If we take into account, for example, that 2-3/5 of DK won TI4 and retire, it means there in turn would be a competetion for making one's way into tier 2 team instead, cause aviable places at tier 1 team are already mostly occupied. If we apply the same logic to TI itself, it basically means that the fact you got invited to TI no matter means a thing, you always get a chance to strike next year [with a better team]. The ones who don't think so are the ones who are giving their all to conquer Aegis right now, because time always works against them. Basically same thing as some real life sports like swimming, baseball, racing, extreme kind of sports, etc. But people are doing it no justice and compare Dota esports to football and tennis instead. | ||
BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Watch it next year there will be more newblood to go pro just because no body saw this 10mil prize pool coming this year. | ||
FractalsOnFire
Australia1756 Posts
No i'm not advocating that valve be like riot and pay a salary, but the top 16 teams in the world should at least get something more than just a free trip to seattle. | ||
WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On July 16 2014 04:00 FractalsOnFire wrote: Yeah i don't like how the prize pool is spread out either. Considering the fact that players struggle to make a decent living, having a more egalitarian distribution would be far more sustainable. Could easily take off 1m from the no.1 spot and distribute among the lower ranked teams. 1m/player for the no.1 spot is just overkill. The marketing is already there with the 10million prize pool. No i'm not advocating that valve be like riot and pay a salary, but the top 16 teams in the world should at least get something more than just a free trip to seattle. "Top 16" sounds a lot more grandiose until you consider that's like...out of 24 actually professional teams. Maybe even less, depending on where you draw the line. From only this tournament, 6 teams will get a larger cash prize then they'll get from any other tournament this year (unless one of them steps up in a big way and wins a major LAN). 8 teams will win more money than they have seen in their entire DotA 2 careers combined, short of maybe iG and Na'vi. People need to get a proper perspective on this. More than half of the entire professional scene is getting a big paycheck from this tournament. | ||
SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
Yes, going pro in Dota is hard and risky, but that's the nature of any job where you have to be the very best to be apreciated. Plenty of failed actors, writers or sportsman struggle to make a living, but when you make it big, the rewards are far greater than the average profession. | ||
RxMidnight
United States251 Posts
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Herper
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
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Romitelli
Brunei Darussalam566 Posts
Sport organizations and tourneys that have been around for decades have a much more balanced distribution, and, ultimately, it allows more teams to thrive while using and investing the prize money they received. | ||
jinfreaks
United States94 Posts
that being said, when it comes down to the wire, and a little bit of luck it is easy to see it being unfair, but we can now see teams starting with professional coaches, to eke out that little bit, I see it good in the long run to have a player support structure being established. Even if players leave after winning a lot, or losing and not winning enough, to now have a support structure being built could only mean good things to scout out new players in the scene. Imagine the hype of not dealing with one arteezy but a few candidates throughtout the year as well as the new metashifts they bring. | ||
ZachFreeman
Australia484 Posts
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