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On March 24 2020 11:26 aseq wrote:
Why not have the Euros in january, then play out the rest of this season, only 1 year later? Should give teams and nations a bit more time to start training in oct-nov. Trying to finish this and the next season and the euros before the end of summer 2021 is way too full.
Clubs will go bankrupt.
Let me elaborate: without football for a year, clubs won't have any income. They won't have TV money, stadium money or prize money (where applicable). They will have to pay the salaries of all their staff (or fire them, and hope they can rehire them in a year when you say the season should restart), as well as fixed costs on their facilities.
Some clubs (Ajax, Bayern) have their financials well enough in order that they can probably weather something like this. Some have a sugar daddy who might foot the bill. But most, and particularly smaller ones, will go bankrupt.
So yeah, better to restart the season with empty stadiums as soon as medically advisable and get the TV money, even if stadium income is gonna be dead for quite a while.
The other problem with playing behind closed doors is you need the players to be fit themselves. If some of them have it then it becomes hard to impossible to train together and play together.
Barcelona are considering a pay cut of up to 70% for all of their players for as long as the coronavirus lockdown lasts in Spain. The players are understood to be receptive to the reduction but no agreement has been reached.
The intention is for any measures to apply equally to the men’s and women’s football teams, the B team, the under-19s and to those who play basketball, handball, futsal and roller hockey. It would also apply to staff working with those teams.
Barcelona are the only La Liga club to admit they are looking at ways to alleviate the economic impact of the Covid-19 pandemic, although the league announced it would support its members in any measures they deem necessary. More clubs are expected to follow suit.
Labour legislation in Spain allows companies to apply temporary measures to lay off staff or reduce wages in exceptional circumstances but Barcelona would prefer to reach a negotiated settlement. Staff in non-football departments are resigned to the probability they will be affected.
The TV company that owns the rights to La Liga in Spain has announced it will apply temporary measures to more than 1,000 staff.
Barcelona held remote meetings late last week and again on Tuesday. They had a positive response from the club captains. The proposal was for the reduction to last as long as the lockdown after which players would go back to earning 100% of their salary, even if competition does not return and the league remains unfinished. Spain’s state of alarm was announced on 11 March and is set to continue until at least 11 April.
Most Spanish football players earn a monthly salary, referred to as the sueldo, plus two larger annual payments six months apart known as the ficha. It is not clear whether the reduction would apply only to the sueldo or to the ficha as well. Four monthly payments remain outstanding this season.
Barcelona’s economic situation is precarious and there are concerns the club may not be able to meet some of their payments if the season is not completed. Of an annual budget of €1.047bn (£970m), 66% was spent on wages last season, down from 70% the season before but considered too high. The projection was 61% this season but that target is now unlikely to be met.
Meanwhile the English Football League is working with the Professional Footballers’ Association to determine a solution to financial matters, notably player wages. An outcome is being sought that will ease clubs through the coming months, with football suspended until at least 30 April.
Leeds are among several Championship clubs to have held discussions with players about deferring wages. The Leeds director of football, Victor Orta, and the chief executive, Angus Kinnear, discussed it with players on Tuesday and, in the event such a measure is enforced, it is understood the wages of the manager, Marcelo Bielsa, and his backroom staff would also be deferred. Leeds have five remaining home fixtures, each of which earns around £700,000 in matchday revenue.
It is understood discussions with the PFA stemmed from a conference call between Championship clubs last week when they talked about potential strategies for lessening the strain of player wages on finances at a time when there is little to no income.
Some clubs operate with significantly higher wage bills than others and, for some, the short-term financial hole created by the absence of matchday revenue is bearable. Birmingham have requested their players who earn more than £6,000 a week take a temporary 50% wage cut, and many other second-tier clubs are believed to exploring similar solutions.
And Barcelona board is retarded. They wasted all the money in transfers like Coutinho or Dembelé and they didn't have money this summer even for a substitute forward for Suarez. They even had to ask for huge loans from US banks recently.
Bartomeu is going to be remembered as the worst president on the club history, even above Gaspart.
Barcelona first team players have refused to take a pay cut proposed by the club during the National State of Emergency in Spain with football suspended due to the coronavirus pandemic.
President Josep Bartomeu tried to convince the players to accept a proposal that, according to various sources, was somewhat more generous than the one made to the professional teams in other sections of the club, such as the basketball side.
The proposal under Spain’s temporary redundancy scheme (known as an ERTE in Spanish "expedientes de regulación temporal de empleo") would see all of the club’s professional teams lose 70 percent of their salaries while they are not playing during the State of Emergency.
However, Bartomeu is considering offering certain “compensations” to first-team players so that their reduction would not exceed 50 percent -- on the grounds that the first team are responsible for generating significantly more income that than the other teams.
While the Barcelona captains have rejected the proposal, the club has decided to exercise its legal right under the State of Emergency to apply the temporary redundancy even without the player’s approval – something which the board considers necessary to mitigate the financial impact of the coronavirus crisis.
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Bunch of entitled assholes much?
On March 27 2020 15:03 Harris1st wrote:
So while German clubs and players are donating money left and right, the first team of Barcelona still demands their full paychecks for doing nothing?
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Bunch of entitled assholes much?
I've been bashing on Barça's players enough the last few seasons so I think I'm allowed to take their side for once haha. This is part of their war against the direction, I don't think they mind losing some money during this epidemy. They had agreed to a deal, then the direction announced another one, + all the history with the hate campaigns against players financed by the direction... Sadly this doesn't come as a surprise.
On March 28 2020 17:18 Dingodile wrote:
the difference is the pay cut. Players on german teams are okay to have a 20-30% cut, Barcelona demands 70% cut.
No. Either you misunderstood or your source did. They proposed a pay cut of 30%, or in other words, players will receive 70% of their salary.
I don't know I agree with willywanker either. The players don't trust Bartomeu, but it seems like their reasons for not accepting the pay cut are economic rather than political. Having a trusted president could have overcome that, while Bartomeu can't as the players don't accept promises or reassurances from him. But their underlying reasons are still economic, not some dream of glorious rebellion.