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mordek
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2 Posts
August 29 2019 17:03 GMT
#4381
Nice man, good stuff I too like to play ultimate (at this point in my life at a pick-up level)
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Jerubaal
Profile Joined June 2010
United States125 Posts
September 14 2019 19:16 GMT
#4382
How's the progress going @Amui? I feel like usually when you think you need to lose 10lbs, you really need to lose 20.

I guess I'm stuck with lifting for the time being. There are all these different sports clubs, but I don't think that there's really any replacement for it.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Joined March 2010
United States7 Posts
September 27 2019 19:21 GMT
#4383
I have a question:

Over the past few months, my wife and I have really started to focus on our physical health; we've joined a gym, started eating healthier overall, portion controlling, sleeping more, etc. and we're happy with the progress we've made. We've been working with a bunch of the gym's trainers and nutritionists, and they suggested that we continue on our path with one additional modification: taking supplements.

All of the assistance we've received from these trainers previously have been helpful to us, but we're skeptical about supplements. We know that supplements don't require FDA approval, and that many of them literally lie on the label (from promising all sorts of absurd things to even listing misleading or nonexistent ingredients). There are so many reports on how supplements are essentially just false advertising, that I literally use them as an example when I teach "placebo effect" to my students.

I guess my question boils down to a matter of whether or not there is any way to trust certain supplements. Our trainers have really been on point with all of their other advice, but we're worried that we're gonna waste money on a scam.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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GoTuNk!
Profile Joined September 2006
Chile0 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-27 19:30:04
September 27 2019 19:28 GMT
#4384
On September 28 2019 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I have a question:

Over the past few months, my wife and I have really started to focus on our physical health; we've joined a gym, started eating healthier overall, portion controlling, sleeping more, etc. and we're happy with the progress we've made. We've been working with a bunch of the gym's trainers and nutritionists, and they suggested that we continue on our path with one additional modification: taking supplements.

All of the assistance we've received from these trainers previously have been helpful to us, but we're skeptical about supplements. We know that supplements don't require FDA approval, and that many of them literally lie on the label (from promising all sorts of absurd things to even listing misleading or nonexistent ingredients). There are so many reports on how supplements are essentially just false advertising, that I literally use them as an example when I teach "placebo effect" to my students.

I guess my question boils down to a matter of whether or not there is any way to trust certain supplements. Our trainers have really been on point with all of their other advice, but we're worried that we're gonna waste money on a scam.


There are some true and tried supplements.

Mainly whey protein, mono hidrate creatine, zma and vitamin D for males.

This supplements are nothing that doesn't exist in food or sun (vit D), but it's hard for most people to get the right amount so that's an easy way; they supplement. They are also quite cheap. Brand doesn't really matter, as long as you think they are legit
Creatine is widely studied, dirt cheap, and has not known negative side effects on any reasonable dose.

There's another batch of "supplements" that work even better but I'm sure they are not refering to those.
farvacola
Profile Joined January 2011
United States46 Posts
September 27 2019 19:30 GMT
#4385
Glucosamine/chondroitin and fish oil are also pretty clearly beneficial, if one is so inclined.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States11 Posts
September 27 2019 19:44 GMT
#4386
On September 28 2019 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I have a question:

Over the past few months, my wife and I have really started to focus on our physical health; we've joined a gym, started eating healthier overall, portion controlling, sleeping more, etc. and we're happy with the progress we've made. We've been working with a bunch of the gym's trainers and nutritionists, and they suggested that we continue on our path with one additional modification: taking supplements.

All of the assistance we've received from these trainers previously have been helpful to us, but we're skeptical about supplements. We know that supplements don't require FDA approval, and that many of them literally lie on the label (from promising all sorts of absurd things to even listing misleading or nonexistent ingredients). There are so many reports on how supplements are essentially just false advertising, that I literally use them as an example when I teach "placebo effect" to my students.

I guess my question boils down to a matter of whether or not there is any way to trust certain supplements. Our trainers have really been on point with all of their other advice, but we're worried that we're gonna waste money on a scam.


“supplements” is far too broad a category to talk about in general. you need to narrow down the question to specific ones, possibly even specifying brands
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Joined March 2010
United States7 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-27 20:04:15
September 27 2019 20:03 GMT
#4387
Thanks for the responses so far

On September 28 2019 04:44 IgnE wrote:
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On September 28 2019 04:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I have a question:

Over the past few months, my wife and I have really started to focus on our physical health; we've joined a gym, started eating healthier overall, portion controlling, sleeping more, etc. and we're happy with the progress we've made. We've been working with a bunch of the gym's trainers and nutritionists, and they suggested that we continue on our path with one additional modification: taking supplements.

All of the assistance we've received from these trainers previously have been helpful to us, but we're skeptical about supplements. We know that supplements don't require FDA approval, and that many of them literally lie on the label (from promising all sorts of absurd things to even listing misleading or nonexistent ingredients). There are so many reports on how supplements are essentially just false advertising, that I literally use them as an example when I teach "placebo effect" to my students.

I guess my question boils down to a matter of whether or not there is any way to trust certain supplements. Our trainers have really been on point with all of their other advice, but we're worried that we're gonna waste money on a scam.


“supplements” is far too broad a category to talk about in general. you need to narrow down the question to specific ones, possibly even specifying brands


That's definitely fair. Below, in the spoiler tag, are pictures of the 2 powder supplements primarily suggested for me: the isolate protein is supposed to be a relatively healthy way for me to take in more protein (to build more muscle, etc.) on top of my usual eating, and the life greens is supposed to be a healthy, low sugar way for me to take in more good nutrients that are typically found in fruits and vegetables.

Not only am I wondering how effective these ingredients typically are, but I'm also trying to deal with the fact that some supplements don't even contain the ingredients they say they do (e.g., there's a difference between knowing that fish oil is healthy and knowing that the supplement you're taking even has fish oil in it, and that the bottle isn't just lying). I'm worried about the lack of oversight and vetting when it comes to supplements.

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"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-27 20:35:01
September 27 2019 20:27 GMT
#4388
what specifically are you worried about here? that the protein isolate pack doesnt actually have protein? that theres no brussels sprout powder in your green drink? those look entirely fine to me. i would actually worry more about the other food you undoubtedly put in your body, even if it is USDA approved. (although it looks like your greens packet is actually a food not a supplement?)

“effectiveness” is relative. protein is protein. its not magic, but to say its “ineffective” raises questions about what its ineffective for. likewise greens wont change much in the short term, but maybe, if you eat more greens than you were eating before, at some point 30 years down the line your body will be in better shape in some dimensions than it otherwise would have been.* maybe you think its too expensive. maybe it is. but it is convenient and thats what you are paying for. maybe youd rather spend time cooking whole brussels sprouts and kale, or maybe not. maybe you like the taste of the powder better.

*it is hard to judge the benefits of greens to subjective well being, partly because most people dont actually eat enough to hit a “tipping point” (thanks gladwell). but there are many people who say regularly eating greens (in whole form, or juice form, or powder) is worth the cost, and i am one of them
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Joined March 2010
United States7 Posts
September 27 2019 21:53 GMT
#4389
Yeah, I totally understand that effectiveness is going to be relative and based on a ton of personal variables. For me, it's more of a trust issue of whether or not supplements actually contain what they claim to contain in the first place... so basically, as you put it, "that the protein isolate pack doesnt actually have protein". I'm wondering if I'm receiving the ingredients that are marketed, or if it's just an expensive placebo.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-27 22:53:00
September 27 2019 22:50 GMT
#4390
its almost definitely protein. if you think that particular product is shady (it looks like a niche product for bougie yuppies rather than a niche product for lifters) there are a ton of other reputable protein products.

whey protein used to be very cheap and now is only somewhat cheap compared to other sources. there arent a whole lot of reasons to adulterate it for companies that have been around more than several months
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
decafchicken
Profile Joined January 2005
United States0 Posts
September 28 2019 06:47 GMT
#4391
That stuff is probably what it is, if not overpriced. Supplements should be just that - supplementary to your diet. Eat lots of meat, veggies, fruits, nuts, etc. And you'll cover most of your bases. Vitamin D and Magnesium are the only two supps I really recommend for the average guy, then creatine for athletes and protein powder if it helps you hit your protein targets (mostly a convenience thing)
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Joined March 2010
United States7 Posts
September 28 2019 10:52 GMT
#4392
All right, thanks guys!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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mordek
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2 Posts
October 03 2019 11:40 GMT
#4393
We don't do progress pics anymore and I made most of my progress in earlier years but here's a pre-TL and now (8 years ) Thanks to all the guys here that are still around and helped me out a bunch.
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It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States11 Posts
October 03 2019 19:08 GMT
#4394
Very nice. I feel like once you hit your thirties you start to appreciate “stasis” pictures anyway. Like “I’m still after it”
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3 Posts
October 07 2019 04:03 GMT
#4395
Good work mordek. Wish I had a solid before picture to compare to!
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
0 Posts
October 14 2019 06:49 GMT
#4396
Hi all!
I've been looking for hip mobility exercises, and I found this:


any suggestions?
To be honest, I don't know anything about stretching, so I'm kind of in the dark..
the idea is to have a routine that I can go through in the morning to improve my mobility, since my hips are super tight..

thanks
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2 Posts
October 23 2019 17:13 GMT
#4397
I've always gone to the beginner flexibility routine here in the flexibility subreddit.
https://old.reddit.com/r/flexibility/comments/9212b8/dont_know_where_to_start_click_here/

Flexibility has always been a pain point for me since I have limited training time.

I managed to hit my fitness achievement for the year a bit early.
I went from ~2-3" short of the rim to dunking a tennis ball, at my height of 5'10", standing reach of 7'4" I think that's pretty good. Works out to a running vertical of 33-33.5" or so. I got it 1/6 tries last time I was at the court, and it wasn't so much a dunk as rolling the ball over the rim, but I'll take it. Hopefully I can consistently get it by the end of December. I guess next year, I'll try to hit a 3ft running vertical, which would be about as good as I realistically need. I'm guessing I need another 4" or so to dunk a basketball properly which is a longass ways away.

Training wise, my squat is now at ~325x5 and I'm pretty happy here. It's starting to get really heavy without a belt so I might need to invest in one, both for protecting my back and for the gains.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada5 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-24 00:02:28
October 24 2019 00:00 GMT
#4398
This is what a ruptured achilles tendon looks like.
https://i.imgur.com/Kx3Luy1.mp4

The rupture occurs at 2 seconds in her left calf. Note the left calf muscle rolling up her leg. At the exact time of the rupture she is not in pain. Also, note how little pain she is in afterwards. Tendons do not have many nerve endings. Tendonitis is extremely painful because of the inflammatory fluid that rushes to the scene of the microtears. Tendons have relatively few nerve endings and relatively little circulation.

It is confounding how brutally painful a pulled muscle is and yet you can be back and ready to play your sport in 2 weeks. Whereas, a tendon rupture is not very painful and you are out 6 to 12 months.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Garbels
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria0 Posts
October 24 2019 11:56 GMT
#4399
Her reaction seems very consistent with someone who is very much in pain.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada5 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-25 01:26:05
October 25 2019 01:16 GMT
#4400
She attempts to push off her left leg AFTER her calf is already rolling up her leg. She doesn't even know anything is wrong.

Here is another achilles tendon tear. Durant is not in agonizing pain. The lack of nerve endings limits the pain. A tendon must be as strong as a muscle while being much smaller. The only way this can be accomplished is by having fewer weak structures in teh tendon. Nerve endings and blood vessels are weak structures. Tendons have less circulation and less nerve endings. This accounts for a tendons amazing strength despite being so small.

The reason chronic achilles tendonitis is so painful is due to the inflammatory fluid that rushes to the site of the micro-tears.. that swelling and inflammatory process takes several minutes and can peak days later.. It is not instant..



Now if the tendon ruptured and the patient has another structure rupture or tear due to losing all strength in the tendon ... then the patient can experience great pain. But, that pain is from the other structure tearing and not the tendon itself.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
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