It's just hard to see this team doing well even if they qualify. EU is a weak region especially this season. If they're struggling now, TI will hit them like a bag of bricks if they even make it.
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On July 09 2021 10:51 DucK- wrote:
Not a big fan of iltw carry.
Honestly I had zero expectations, but he's doing fine imo. He's sometimes doing some crucial mistakes, but it's getting less and he's also making a lot of good plays. It's not exactly easy to find a top tier carry and if ILTW stops going up enemy hills without vision I think he has the potential to be a top tier carry.
I think his Luna is spectacular, but the rest of his hero pool looks much weaker. But Nigma also gravitates towards these push drafts anyways, so not sure if it's ILTW being worse on other heroes or just Luna fitting their playstyle well.
I also think that they lost g3 90% because of vision, not having a ward in the rosh area proved a fatal mistake.
On July 09 2021 17:58 Sapaio wrote:
I am glad to see OG playing better, less overagression and more controlled. Great team fight coordination. Stil some wanky drafts.
I mean OG always played their own meta, similarly to Nigma. At times it looks brilliant, at others very dumb, that's just how it is if you play off meta. It's always easy to ask after a loss why they didn't just get a meta pick instead, but usually there's method behind the madness.
Then again OG is the cockiest team I know, so who knows.
i dont think iltw and mc played well, but quite frankly a lot of teams dont have "tier 1" players and we all know just having "more skilled players" doesnt fix things. we've seen team kick matu and w33 and that just merely put a new coat of paint on the "old faithful". and this worked for ti9, because w33 actually was a pillar for ex-liquid and teams hadnt really figured them out
i think nigma first needs a change in captains/coach. you can kick iltw and mc, but i dont think the terrible drafts will go away without kuro and/or rmn going away.
The thing about drafts that people love to conveniently love to leave out of the criticisms is that the players themselves heavily influence the drafts. Not only do they have their own input but the drafting is always centered around the player's available hero pool. There are plenty of disadvantages or advantages that come your player's hero pool which is why it's wrong to act like roster changes don't play a part in draft issues. And a lot of times, drafts only look bad because the plays were bad. I honestly don't think Nigma would've qualified even if Kuro improved his drafts because two of his cores were not playing well.
Kuro's failures as a captain come from his attachment to his players. There are so many times MC should've been kicked from the team yet he still managed to stay because they won TI once years ago. He should've been gone after TI9, after they failed to qualify for DPC events last season, and he should've been kicked after the first DPC league where he was bottom 3 networth for a good amount of their games. w33 also should've been kicked after they failed to qualify for DPC events last season and he 100% should've been kicked before the current DPC season started. The reality is that roster changes might not always work out but keeping the same roster forever doesn't always work out either. If MC and iltw look bad in the regional qualifiers of one of the weakest regions in Dota right now, how do you honestly expect Nigma to do well on LAN?
Captains/drafters have always been the convenient scapegoat for Dota 2 fans. People, including Kuro, refuse to accept that roster changes are the solution in the vast majority of cases. Name me a single captain in Dota that hasn't had a period where they've faced failures that were resolved after a roster shuffle. The captains in Dota, especially the greats like Kuro, are highly intelligent individuals who will almost never drop off. We can rinse and repeat the "it's the drafter's fault" talk all we want but those criticisms are very rarely ever right. These captains and drafters always prove people wrong but those people who were wrong never learn from it.
On July 15 2021 22:15 derElbe wrote:
i didnt read any of the comments yet,
but i feel dead inside. TI seems so pointless now.
Anyone with me?
Yeah dunno who to root for really. Alliance has a very bad record right now abroad and I don't really care for any of the other teams. Might end up rooting for LGD, they play some pretty Dota. Or go root for fy, although I'm not too optimistic for elephant, despite a super strong roster on paper they didn't really have a lot of success with it.
Wondering what roster changes we may see from Nigma...
Iltw did not seem to be the answer, limited illusion-based hero pool, some very costly mistakes due to mispositioning.
MC...I dont know more miss than hit during 2021...then again I do not see any significant upgrade on the offlane-position available. Maybe 33 but dont think he will be leaving Tundra for the moment. Boxi? Did not look very good as well during qualifiers.
Miracle transitioned back into mid better than I expected, he crushed it most of the times during the qualifiers. This guy has to stay mid, his abilities to outplay opponents is way to valuable to not make use of it. Hitting creeps for 30min does not feel like to utilize his sheer talent to the utmost potential.
GH perhaps the most consistent player on the team and the embodiment of PMA, he has to remain with the team as well.
The drafting of Kuro/rmn did not look very good for a long time, having one viable strat only for the major and qualifiers. A change looks inevitable to get some fresh air into their drafting.