[Edit]: Kuro drafts can be so unbelievably bad man. Why is he doing this?
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Like in the first EG match when the casters afterwards doubted that ILTW had practiced Mag I was reminded of "I can't play Omni"-"just play like ceb"-Kuro. Naturally that wasn't all that lead to the loss, Ice3 played an amazing lane which allowed cr1t to crush the early game and EG read Nigma like a book game 1 and countered all their rotations. I also thought that in both games EG won on wards.
In the second Nigma had an amazing draft where they picked a 4 man roaming squad and a hero that could capitalize on the space they made to overcome the farm deficit that constant roaming created. They won the early rotations and as a result they had mapcontrol the entire time and ILTW reached the point where he could solo outcarry EG's tricore.
Overall they look great more often than not and with how snowbally the patch still is it's easy to blame the drafts for the losses when a lot of times it just comes down to early game execution. But dismissing that Kuro always was a bit special when it comes to drafting and that Nigma often puts themselves into a position where they need to outplay to win like in their match 2 vs Secret in the playoffs serves nobody.
Naturally juuto can't be pleased unless they crush every match, he still expects absolute dominance in a meta where no team achieves that.
Juuto seems indeed to post only after some hard losses, nothing from him to read after the stomp of VG. I am very critical towards them as well and being annoyed when they gave away games, but compared to earlier this year and most of last year, they are doing well and have their fate in their own hands. Considering the competetion they are up against, you cannot expect them to win it all.
Depending on the result between VG and LGD, even a split may be enough to secure the upper bracket, but beastcoast will be playing for their lives and they have been able to upset Nigma in the past(dropping them out at Leipzig Major).
Losing itself isn't a huge problem especially in the group stages but the matches against EG could've eliminated EG from being able to reach Upper Bracket. At this point of the year, teams play for TI. Upper Bracket is massive in getting Nigma closer to the one tournament where the vast majority of the year's prize money goes to. A few acceptable losses are fine but at the point in the group stage Nigma was at, that wasn't the case. If they had 2-0'd EG, they'd have already secured Upper Bracket after VG's recent loss to PSG.LGD. I know Nigma's opponents are Beastcoast but I feel like any team who qualifies for a Major is capable of anything and that includes 2-0'ing Nigma. Both wins against EG just would've extremely nice and comforting.
As we all know, it didnt work out in any shape or form (TI was sort of the exception and imo based on skill and pure strenght of will/stubborness alone)
Now that they changed their identity and finally found a way to make this team work as a team, where everyone can play to their strenghts, i think their drafting has to be viewed from a whole different angle.
It really is a totally different story if you fail to draft the same outdated concept over and over and over again as the old nigma did, or if you loose a draft while establishing a whole new concept and dynamic as a team.
I have nothing but respect for this current version of Nigma and i couldnt be happier with their draft and playstyle. If they happen to miss a draft while maintaining this style of play they have shown during the major, i couldnt care less.
In my opinion, they are outdoing themself by a huge margin and they are setting themselfs up to raise the bar even higher going into a possible TI 10.
I hope things go well for them and they reach TI in a clean manner because no matter what, these EU qualifiers seem scary.
On June 08 2021 16:47 Rufus Dupres wrote:
Nice one...playoffs secured in a quite dominating way. Now against VP which are already qualified for TI and may not be playing with 100%, although I am sure they want to have a good showing at their "home tournament" and the disappointing showing at Singapore. Will be interesting to see as VP and Nigma are having a similar hero pool. Save is playing an extremely good Lion and Ench, gpk as Invoker, DM on Mars, AA on Kingslayer. I just hope they dont have a good brood player.
Wouldn't bet on them not giving their all, if ppl decide to full-time play dota competitively and fly to Lan-events I'm fairly sure that on average they are in it to win it. EG didn't give TL a walkover yesterday either and VP if anything has more to prove.
But they are both teams that are early game push heavy, so I'm expecting one team to pull ahead and stay ahead. That being said the battle for early dominance should be a good one.
Overall the meta is very CIS actually, with Luna, BS, Ursa, Slardar, TA, Invo, Timber, Mars, Lion, Magnus, DK and Razor being among the highest wr heroes right now. Haven't watched a lot of VP so not sure if they plays all of these, but I wouldn't be surprised.
On June 10 2021 22:41 hunter_x wrote:
Hey guys how are you? Haven't really watched or played any Dota for over a year, and decided its time to maybe come back and support the boys. Have been playing a ton of Gwent the last few month, which i really enjoy right now. Did i miss anything, other then w33 aparently being kicked?
W33 kicked, Miracle- back to mid. The boys are still really inconsistent, and their top level is still world class (or at least good enough to beat Europe, but Europe is kind of trailing behind China these days)