I think this team has some real potential, I'm not sure how good moon is and I know fly isn't the best player out there in his position but if they can figure out their style I think this team could be a real threat to EG and the rest.
They are so fucking chaotic but despite that i think they are currently the next best team of EU outside secret/VP.
On September 27 2015 18:35 MirageTaN wrote: I would like this to be Liquid but honestly, I think they have alrdy found an investor soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo .yeah
Beasts, but no idea why moon is on the team. Feeds every single early game. It seems to work for them but... is that because it's working, or because they're good enough to push through it? I mean, if they had a good offlaner who didn't feed, wouldn't they just do better?
I haven't watched a bunch of their games so closely but in general someone just dying a bit early isn't necessarily bad. At least I remember vs NaVi Moon was "feeding" with his DS, but what his "feeding" contributed was that he constantly had information on what the supports were doing and the supports wanted to stay there and had to use their spells and mana because he was constantly coming forward. What happened on the other two lanes? n0tail's and cr1t's Wisp+Tiny crushed one lane, Miracle+Fly completely crushed Dendi mid with TA and some Fly hero. NaVi's supports were consistently unable to help anywhere on the map, largely because Moon was "feeding".
Also a lot of MB's games have been really easy because they've been running snowbally lineups with Wisp a lot and managed to win the early game really hard. It's easier to assess their players when we get to see them against teams who can hold their own and stabilize the games. A bit unfortunate that their series against VP in the WCA quals became only a bo1 due to whatever issues MB had.
It's mind boggling to me how people are (still) trash talking Fly. He and Moon were the sole reason Complexity did so well at TI. Yes, he didn't exactly perform up to the rest of Secret (as if more than a handful of ppl on the planet could, and on a position he had never played before) but his support play has been exceptional for years.
There's no doubt in my mind that this team will be EU#1. Also <3 N0tail
On September 28 2015 05:57 nothingmuch wrote: It's mind boggling to me how people are (still) trash talking Fly. He and Moon were the sole reason Complexity did so well at TI. Yes, he didn't exactly perform up to the rest of Secret (as if more than a handful of ppl on the planet could, and on a position he had never played before) but his support play has been exceptional for years.
There's no doubt in my mind that this team will be EU#1. Also <3 N0tail
Fly is rubbish at offlane. As a support, he is decent. Nothing spectacular, but gets the job done.
Miracle is quickly becoming one of my favourite pros to watch. Hope BigDaddy can polish up his play as he seems to be the weaklink but I imagine its simply lack of practice in this position.
On September 28 2015 05:57 nothingmuch wrote: It's mind boggling to me how people are (still) trash talking Fly. He and Moon were the sole reason Complexity did so well at TI. Yes, he didn't exactly perform up to the rest of Secret (as if more than a handful of ppl on the planet could, and on a position he had never played before) but his support play has been exceptional for years.
There's no doubt in my mind that this team will be EU#1. Also <3 N0tail
Fly is rubbish at offlane. As a support, he is decent. Nothing spectacular, but gets the job done.
Which is hard to find, supports that get the job done. Not an easy job at all.
I wouldn't say he's the best ever but under appreciated for sure.
I think we will very soon see a trend (or are already seeing it) of picking the highest MMR guys and putting them in top teams instead of assuming that pub games mean nothing and the fact that these boys are 2k mmr higher than many pro players is meaningless. For a long time, the scene tends to operate on personal contacts and being a part of the network rather than a more professional approach. But it can't last for long that somebody can school NBA players in a pick-up game or destroy top tier pros in a casual soccer game and no one even thinks about the implication. I'm glad to see so many pubstars getting picked up and proving to be very strong.
These guys are playing like the real deal and I think they will be a top-tier team this season. Miracle is actually an amazing player and remains a lot more calm and analytical than a lot of other players during chaotic situations which is why I think he seems to be a notch above.
Secondly, they look to be very 'pubby' as someone mentioned but this is good in the sense that they are willing to do what they want rather than just copy the meta, which is obviously good, especially with the new patches coming in.
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