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Archeon
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I also don't like origin of power stories on average, 90% of them end up diminishing the MC's achievements, turning him into some lucky guy who gets carried by his genes/powers. | ||
cLutZ
United States7 Posts
On June 25 2021 17:02 LennX wrote: We back, boys. New CP0 member introduced and some back story given on Luffy DF He was CP9 I thought based on the reading. However, I think the official translation is going to be fairly different this chapter. Some stuff looked pretty lost. | ||
LennX
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On June 26 2021 11:03 cLutZ wrote: He was CP9 I thought based on the reading. However, I think the official translation is going to be fairly different this chapter. Some stuff looked pretty lost. I inferred he was CP0 since he came together with the other CP0 people but I may be wrong as he could be just an underling | ||
evilfatsh1t
Australia1376 Posts
On June 26 2021 09:49 Archeon wrote: Feels weird to me timing wise. Like I can't really see how Luffy's fruit's origin story matters for this arc unless it holds a powerup he activates pretty much right away. Other than that stuff like flashbacks on character powers don't really belong in a finale. I also don't like origin of power stories on average, 90% of them end up diminishing the MC's achievements, turning him into some lucky guy who gets carried by his genes/powers. the timing might be questionable but if the only way oda could introduce the history was by utilising a specific character in the current war then ill take it. | ||
MaZza[KIS]
Australia261 Posts
On June 26 2021 09:49 Archeon wrote: Feels weird to me timing wise. Like I can't really see how Luffy's fruit's origin story matters for this arc unless it holds a powerup he activates pretty much right away. Other than that stuff like flashbacks on character powers don't really belong in a finale. I also don't like origin of power stories on average, 90% of them end up diminishing the MC's achievements, turning him into some lucky guy who gets carried by his genes/powers. Just a theory, but I think that the gomu gomu no mi was Joy Boys devil fruit. I believe that shanks was originally heading to east blue to give Ace the fruit as it would be natural to believe Ace would inherit his father's will and: a. inherit joy boy's will -OR- b. be the prime candidate to become "the joy boy" assuming that Gold D. Roger was himself either a or b but just "was around at the wrong time". As FATE would have it, Luffy ate the fruit instead. The theme of luffy's "powers" when using the gomu gomu (bounce man, snake man, etc.) mimics what "guardian spirits" would look like in Japanese folklore. For those reason, again, another theory, I believe Joy Boy was actually from Wano and whoever possesses the gomu gomu no mi is I guess the "guardian" of Wano (or perhaps just "the guardian" irrespective of country) Lets see how much, if any of this is correct. Excited for the flashback. | ||
cLutZ
United States7 Posts
On June 28 2021 13:15 Slaughter wrote: Maybe Wano has some connection to the ancient kingdom? Like some survivors formed it or they were an allied nation. That seems to be given from what we already know. The Kozukis made the Poneglyphs and closed off Wano. The question is basically: Was the ancient kingdom good, and overthrown nefariously, or bad, and justly overthrown, just for its successor to be just as bad/worse? I guess also there is the question of how all that ties in, but that is the BIG question. | ||
MaZza[KIS]
Australia261 Posts
On June 28 2021 15:01 cLutZ wrote: That seems to be given from what we already know. The Kozukis made the Poneglyphs and closed off Wano. The question is basically: Was the ancient kingdom good, and overthrown nefariously, or bad, and justly overthrown, just for its successor to be just as bad/worse? I guess also there is the question of how all that ties in, but that is the BIG question. I mean, clearly it was nefarious... you don't "cover up" justice... and murder however many people in the process.. not to mention wiping an entire culture/race from existence... i mean, give me one genocide that is justified... | ||
CHEONSOYUN
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On June 26 2021 09:49 Archeon wrote: I also don't like origin of power stories on average, 90% of them end up diminishing the MC's achievements, turning him into some lucky guy who gets carried by his genes/powers. that’s pretty much devil fruits in general. crocodile was the one who first said that the user only gets more powerful the more creative they become. i will say though that i’m very disappointed in big mom mostly because she should soul reaping everyone in 1 hit KO’s | ||
herMan
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CHEONSOYUN
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why was shanks carrying around the fruit in the first place when his crew and roger’s crew thought devil fruits were too much of a liability? it’s doubtful, given his background, he just wanted to barter it the fruit itself has always been interesting too as a paramecia class with a lot of logia properties it also adds some possible context to why jesus burgess was interested in stealing the power given blackbeard’s extensive knowledge of fruits. | ||
MaZza[KIS]
Australia261 Posts
On June 30 2021 02:19 herMan wrote: If Luffy's fruit has some additional meaning instead of being just a random devil fruit, I will be disappointed in the writing. When the series started, the Straw Hats were a bunch of random misfits and orphans and I liked it that way. Now they're "pirate royalty" with Sanji and Luffy, and even Luffy's Devil Fruit may carry some massive symbolic meaning? Sigh. This is literally how every "child prodigy" story goes. I mean luffy is a 19 year old kid fighting against (and sometimes defeating) the most powerful adult 'supervillains' in the world. How do you explain that? In anime, this explanation inevitable (almost always) goes into family lineage and the realisation of "Well of course this kid can do all this at 19, look at his family tree, all monsters!". In terms of the Devil fruit and all the rest, if you have time to re-read, and in future, look out for these three words: FATE, BELIEVE, DAWN. There has to be something 'fated' when it comes to the devil fruit(s). They're at the core of this story... they're literally what's special about OnePiece so why wouldn't it make sense for there to be a set of special DFs? | ||
evilfatsh1t
Australia1376 Posts
if the gomu gomu fruit is just a seemingly weak paramecia then luffy overcame the odds by his own will, character etc. if the gomu gomu fruit is suddenly some fated fruit that holds some huge secret and is pivotal to the collapse of the world government then luffy didnt overcome shit. he was always destined. i agree with the sanji backstory as well tbh. i would have liked a normal backstory of him being from a different sea with a shit family but him being a prince of a notorious family was a pretty big ass pull for me | ||
cLutZ
United States7 Posts
On June 30 2021 06:10 MaZza[KIS] wrote: This is literally how every "child prodigy" story goes. I mean luffy is a 19 year old kid fighting against (and sometimes defeating) the most powerful adult 'supervillains' in the world. How do you explain that? In anime, this explanation inevitable (almost always) goes into family lineage and the realisation of "Well of course this kid can do all this at 19, look at his family tree, all monsters!". In terms of the Devil fruit and all the rest, if you have time to re-read, and in future, look out for these three words: FATE, BELIEVE, DAWN. There has to be something 'fated' when it comes to the devil fruit(s). They're at the core of this story... they're literally what's special about OnePiece so why wouldn't it make sense for there to be a set of special DFs? Luffy's story is part that, but its always also obviously been Iron Sharpens Iron and his ambition being so large that it set him on a path of ever increasing obstacles. He's been training in jungles and stuff since he could walk. Been training with his devil fruit since he was 7. Trained with 2 older kids who were also ambitious. Same is basically true for Zoro and Sanji. Its not a mystery they were the strongest East Blue crew when they trained harder, at a younger age, than anyone they were up against. When you compare their crew to Bellamy and the rest of the Mocktown pirates obviously they were outliers when it comes to the seriousness with which they take their craft. | ||
Archeon
2311 Posts
On June 30 2021 06:10 MaZza[KIS] wrote: This is literally how every "child prodigy" story goes. I mean luffy is a 19 year old kid fighting against (and sometimes defeating) the most powerful adult 'supervillains' in the world. How do you explain that? In anime, this explanation inevitable (almost always) goes into family lineage and the realisation of "Well of course this kid can do all this at 19, look at his family tree, all monsters!". In terms of the Devil fruit and all the rest, if you have time to re-read, and in future, look out for these three words: FATE, BELIEVE, DAWN. There has to be something 'fated' when it comes to the devil fruit(s). They're at the core of this story... they're literally what's special about OnePiece so why wouldn't it make sense for there to be a set of special DFs? I always thought that they were just a tradable power up to give characters a bit of fluff in fights. Tradable because it's a sea-faring world, which is also where their weakness comes into play. I don't think they played a massive role overall, most logias are interchangeable with few exception (large scale attacks, elemental body that you need to elemental counter or haki to hit), most zoans are mainly battle fluff (look i attack with my neck instead of my hands now). Only paramecia become plot points quite often, since they are basically magic and can do whatever the author wishes. So while I think that DFs enrich the OP universe and make it a bit more unique, you could likely tell the >90% of the story so far without DFs and nothing much would change. On a similar note I think "work hard to realize your dreams" fits way better to OP than "I ate the Excalibur fruit and now I'm the chosen one". Imo between the D. and Luffy's father and grandfather there's more than enough stuff to justify why Luffy made it. | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom0 Posts
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