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Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark2895 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-29 16:46:34
May 29 2020 15:53 GMT
#61
On May 29 2020 17:22 Diavlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2020 06:48 Dracolich70 wrote:
On May 29 2020 06:39 Diavlo wrote:
So where is our boy Dracolich to explain how it is all Suma1l's fault that they lost?

Have I blamed Sumail rather than others? And I am not your boy, retard. If you had the mental aptitude to look at the top of the page, you'd see I questioned the drafts.


Jesus Christ buddy, stop clutching your pearls.

You are the posterchild of complaining about SumaiL, you do it in every thread. So in that sense, you are our "it's all SumaiL's fault" boy.

You have been complaining about him when he got signed, when they played well and crushed the qualifier for the last major and now when they are doing poorly. And yes, you do blame him infinitely more than the others.

I always find it amusing when people with very limited knowledge our understanding of the game (the average Joe, you and me) question coaches/captains who have had great results building teams and playing the game. N0tail and Seb have the best record of creating teams in Dota and they chose to sign one of the most successful players ever, a player which, to quote N0tail, "you had to watch out for the most when you were playing EG". I would trust that they know what they are doing.


I just made a comment because we just watched a game where Topson (probably my favorite player) blow an 8k lead with a better late game draft by going No-BKB rapier and I was half expecting you to come out of the woodwork to tell us how it was all Sumail's fault somehow.

But if you think I'm unfair on you, think of poor SumaiL and how unfair you've been on him. I heard he's still crying and wiping his tears with 100* bills thinking about what you said about his Void plays.


Funny, because there is literally no such post in this thread.

The only thing that is amusing is you are trying to put me in with your incompetence. You don't know what you are talking about. That has nothing to do with me.

I have criticised things that are to criticise with competence. Sumail has weaknesses, that also showed to be prevalent in this team, but I have focused on more things than singular people, and have also complimented things working, even Sumail, but information is lost, when people don't understand information, because take from it what their limited comprehension and what their emotions want to draw from it.

Have I been unfair to Sumail? He is a person who has played Dota most of his life, he has been in top tier Dota for 5 years, and he still - despite many prominent captain in his time, still haven't learned when to be aggressive and when not to, and all this was said by me, before he joined, and it has become apparent to many others by now. I said this before he got kicked, and many thought it would be unthinkable he would be, and EG finally decided to kick him, despite his apparent talent also.

Don't think I have said anything about his Chronos or Void play. Are you making this up as you go?

Yes, Topson made an idiotic and completely game throwing decision, that was unnecessary as they were in a winning position, and still had split pushing options, if it would turn.

You keep calling "boy", "child" to a grownup, while it is quite a apparent you are a kid, and one quite of limited mental capacity at that.

I am not saying this to hurt Sumail's feelings, or yours, I say it like it is, and that seems like a big difference between you and me amongst many, many, many other things. Because it is apparent, this is how you go about things. This is about how this makes you feel, which explains why you misrepresent what I have said. Your parents should have taught you some manners, though.
LiangHao
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark2895 Posts
May 29 2020 17:23 GMT
#62
Well played by CL. The better team on the day.
LiangHao
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark2895 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-29 17:34:16
May 29 2020 17:31 GMT
#63
On May 29 2020 15:32 Sapaio wrote:
Watching OG is so frustrating. This tournament is the worst i have seen them in long time. Feel they miss Ceb in game a lot. Am i the only one that see them go all in on a lot of team fights and it looks great in the start but just to see them lack the finale killing damage and then they loss it bad.
I can understand the problems because they have players in 3 regions, not just the ping but the odd hours Sumail and Midone have to play must be a hard. So i give credit for that effort.
Sometimes i wish they would just take a break from all these online tournaments so i don't have to make excuses for them.
No, they have lost all the things they knew were correct. They have thrown bodies in for no real objectives, and at best for space creation, while they don't even have a late game advantage. They go in aggressively with 2 vs 4-5, or what quickly turns to that. They have also lost their team fight coordinations, and you often just see them retreat after a failed initiation, and 2-3 people die. They take fights just right before key items, and simply makes incredibly poor engagements and decisions, that they didn't just months ago.

It also happened with Ceb on occation, and he was sometimes even part of the people just throwing his body needlessly to its death.

I felt until yesterday that these tournaments, and especially now as a full squad, they could work on these things in a competitive environment, but when Topson decides to just throw the game away for no reason, I feel they don't feel this is what they want to do, and as such just let teams that want to use these tournaments in a constructive way to do just that, and them just scrimming instead, or whatever they feel like they need to work on the cohesion and chemistry.
LiangHao
Geisterkarle
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany2001 Posts
May 29 2020 17:46 GMT
#64
These Nigma-Vikin games and crazy early game! Everyone running around!
There can only be one Geisterkarle
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark2895 Posts
May 30 2020 15:23 GMT
#65
Nice game one from TL.
LiangHao
Gamble28
Profile Joined June 2016
Germany107 Posts
May 30 2020 17:53 GMT
#66
turn in at 19.30 because og should start at 19.00 so with talking and draft i should miss the first 10 mins of the game - turns out OG is down 0-1 and already 5k behind in the second game. Holy Fuck man i think they dont want to play this game anymore
sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-30 17:55:15
May 30 2020 17:54 GMT
#67
QOP > DK ultra late game
or maybe its just micke stuff
6nnn
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark2895 Posts
May 30 2020 20:13 GMT
#68
On May 31 2020 02:53 Gamble28 wrote:
turn in at 19.30 because og should start at 19.00 so with talking and draft i should miss the first 10 mins of the game - turns out OG is down 0-1 and already 5k behind in the second game. Holy Fuck man i think they dont want to play this game anymore
Yeah, I missed first game as well, but caught start of 2nd.

I don't think I have ever watched such an uninspired team before in 8 years. They draft like it is an unranked pub, and play like they are 5 strangers, not caring at all.

I don't care that they lose, if they just make an effort, but this is frankly an insult to behold.
LiangHao
emperorchampion
Profile Joined December 2008
United Kingdom3701 Posts
May 31 2020 14:44 GMT
#69
matu was right?
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Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
May 31 2020 14:59 GMT
#70
Miracle giving first blood and Luna off Lane, the game is Hard.
GO OG
emperorchampion
Profile Joined December 2008
United Kingdom3701 Posts
May 31 2020 16:00 GMT
#71
Hmm I have a feeling dazzle mid was not the hero
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emperorchampion
Profile Joined December 2008
United Kingdom3701 Posts
May 31 2020 16:02 GMT
#72
Nigma draft seems pretty strong otherwise though, with an actual mid hero I think they could have won this.
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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania428 Posts
May 31 2020 16:09 GMT
#73
"nerds" ... lol wee; some sore losers there.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
May 31 2020 16:11 GMT
#74
I feel that Nigma had a great draft. The triple save is nice idea, but never really worked because Secret split them up. Feel it's more outplay.
GO OG
emperorchampion
Profile Joined December 2008
United Kingdom3701 Posts
May 31 2020 19:04 GMT
#75
So potential for 5 way tie, and seems likely that there will be 3 teams at 4-3 in group b
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emperorchampion
Profile Joined December 2008
United Kingdom3701 Posts
May 31 2020 19:17 GMT
#76
well lucky for alliance it seems like OG are running "experimental" drafts
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emperorchampion
Profile Joined December 2008
United Kingdom3701 Posts
May 31 2020 19:30 GMT
#77
On June 01 2020 01:11 Sapaio wrote:
I feel that Nigma had a great draft. The triple save is nice idea, but never really worked because Secret split them up. Feel it's more outplay.


Maybe secret is just too good, but I didn't really see mid dazzle do anything that support dazzle couldn't have done. I think support dazzle with a proper mid would've been better, but eh, seemed a bit experimental since they were confirmed upper bracket anyways (kuro first weaver support game).
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Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
May 31 2020 20:02 GMT
#78
Not sure Dazzle mid is experimental, China uses it.

Weaver support, have mixed feelings about things. On one side feel it is nice that an aghs can change roll form core to support. On the other the two aghs that does Weaver and Sniper are broken and bit stupid.
GO OG
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark2895 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-31 20:12:03
May 31 2020 20:03 GMT
#79
As bad as OG has been, it is still nice to see teams pick their concepts, such as Jakiro, Aghs Weaver, and Luna. Then again, these teams of TL and [A] have never been known for their ingenuity, but that is what is carrying them currently. Solid drafts of tried and tested concepts.

Was pretty happy to see Spirit Breaker. AA was interesting, if it wasn't for the fact it completely fell behind in farm.

Was about to congratulate Sumail on a decent Lifestealer game, even if he fell behind in farm, only to throw away his life for no reason. Maybe Sumail has come to the right place. Reminds me a bit of XBOCT's worst moments. If OG can make a good carry out of Sumail, it is the biggest accomplishment they have ever made. Maybe the whole strategy is to break Sumail down, and build him back up, so any remnants of NA is cleared off him.
LiangHao
emperorchampion
Profile Joined December 2008
United Kingdom3701 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-01 09:58:34
June 01 2020 09:43 GMT
#80
Were tie-breakers played in group B? How the hell did HR (4-3 in series, 8-8 in matches) make it over NIP (4-3 in series, 11-7 in matches, beat HR 2-0)?

#justeslthings ...


Looking more, seems like NIP and CL lost to two of the tied teams, while HR and FTM only lost to one each. Basically NIP and CL both made the mistake of winning against the higher ranked team (Alliance, 5-2), and losing to one of the 4-3 teams.
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