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korrekt
55 Posts
On June 04 2019 12:57 PlayerofDota wrote: Who cares what people write in a stupid pub game? GET A LIFE! Right! And who cares what people write in newspapers or forums? Or what they say on the streets? Just get a life! + Show Spoiler + What does "get a life" even mean in that context... What a sad justification of toxic behaviour. | ||
nanaoei
1606 Posts
where do you think "kill urself" came from? or "u mongoloid"? the list of common shitty/weird phrases goes on. i bet most people who use it don't even know what mongoloid refers to. i've used "kill yourself" outside of dota because that's a phrase that just stuck with me. doesn't mean it's any fucking good, lol. the point is that it's unnecessary and stupid. it also does more harm than ever good. so why fucking do it? you can blow off steam more intelligently or saying better stuff. if we don't hold up players who are in the position to be held up, why would we ever hold ourselves to better standards? the bar just keeps dropping the ruder you are with one another, like a shouting contest between two people who can't put up a good argument. | ||
PlayerofDota
26 Posts
On June 04 2019 19:56 nanaoei wrote: who cares? people who care about pro players, and then parrot. where do you think "kill urself" came from? or "u mongoloid"? the list of common shitty/weird phrases goes on. i bet most people who use it don't even know what mongoloid refers to. i've used "kill yourself" outside of dota because that's a phrase that just stuck with me. doesn't mean it's any fucking good, lol. the point is that it's unnecessary and stupid. it also does more harm than ever good. so why fucking do it? you can blow off steam more intelligently or saying better stuff. if we don't hold up players who are in the position to be held up, why would we ever hold ourselves to better standards? the bar just keeps dropping the ruder you are with one another, like a shouting contest between two people who can't put up a good argument. Good luck making 7 billion people nice. Shit happens, its a stupid pub game, no one cares, no one's life is affected by angry chat in a stupid pub game. GET A LIFE! Get a job, get a girlfriend, get friends, etc... stop obsessing over what someone said in a stupid, worthless pub game! I'd look at what someone is talking about me in real life, rather than someone in a single pub game of dota, whether that someone is some playing the game for money or not. Everyone should stop being little sissies, little snowflakes and getting outraged over stupid, worthless, meaningless chat comments in random pub games! | ||
sCuMBaG
United Kingdom390 Posts
On June 05 2019 00:51 SK.Testie wrote: No one is the arbiter over another mans speech. Fuck me... I didn't realise you were still around  How are you man? I remember playing (losing to) you and Mondragon in BWCL or something in Broodwar what must be over 15 years ago now. Highlight of my BW career lol | ||
SK.Testie
Canada11 Posts
On June 05 2019 00:58 sCuMBaG wrote: Fuck me... I didn't realise you were still around How are you man? I remember playing (losing to) you and Mondragon in BWCL or something in Broodwar what must be over 15 years ago now. Highlight of my BW career lol hahaha, doing well thank you. I went ham on streaming on twitch and averaged 1100/2800 viewers for some years until HoN died. I just play for the last of the community that is left there so now it's like 150-350 viewers if i'm lucky since the game is extremely dead. 2v2 on BW was a blast though. Hope you're doing well too. =p | ||
Emnjay808
United States4815 Posts
On June 05 2019 00:56 PlayerofDota wrote: Good luck making 7 billion people nice. Shit happens, its a stupid pub game, no one cares, no one's life is affected by angry chat in a stupid pub game. GET A LIFE! Get a job, get a girlfriend, get friends, etc... stop obsessing over what someone said in a stupid, worthless pub game! I'd look at what someone is talking about me in real life, rather than someone in a single pub game of dota, whether that someone is some playing the game for money or not. Everyone should stop being little sissies, little snowflakes and getting outraged over stupid, worthless, meaningless chat comments in random pub games! You’re not wrong but you’re getting ur message out in the worst way possible lol. | ||
nanaoei
1606 Posts
the only behaviour i'm going to try to change is of the people who play with me and my own. you might not want to care about it and really dislike people who do, but it doesn't make the game or the pool of players you play with/against any better. the "shit happens" is that people are gonna suck at the game. baiting the guy (intentionally) or not and using shitty phrases is going to get them to straight up ruin the game and waste everyone's time. and at that point, it's real life. if you play a game for thousands of hours, i'm sorry but that's an involved hobby, taking up a good chunk of how you spend your life. if you're a pro, that was a good chunk of additional practice time completely down the drain. why are we going to make reddit threads about the amount of game ruiners going up and it's just about certain regions being irredeemably ass or certain races of people being awful at the game? that sort of problem grows as you hit the same pool of a few thousand players in high MMR, and if you end up playing at around the same times, the list grows shorter. people who follow the player, watch their streams, or see the online demeanor and do it themselves and bring it to lower rungs which feature a lot more people. that's why there's rules and regulations and laws (korea attempts to carry online behaviour over to RL punishment), to prevent people from harming themselves and it getting out of control. we all know you can't control it because of the nature of it being online, but you don't have to take it to the next level and say parroted slurs at one another. the solution can't be to say it to one another anyway, but stop being snowflakes and being offended in any way shape or form. how bout we don't say it? instead, offer one sentence of constructive criticism, take it or leave it and mute. if they ruin, you report and move on, and hopefully these people realize that games are not for them if they can get angry to this point. the whole point is that the meaningless garbage that people throw at each other to flex their alpha-maleness online is common and a complete negative. for actual communication, for the possibility of winning, for the game and larger community in long term, for people who don't know any better, and even for people who just want to play it purely as a damn game. | ||
korrekt
55 Posts
On June 05 2019 00:56 PlayerofDota wrote: Good luck making 7 billion people nice. Shit happens, its a stupid pub game, no one cares, no one's life is affected by angry chat in a stupid pub game. GET A LIFE! Get a job, get a girlfriend, get friends, etc... stop obsessing over what someone said in a stupid, worthless pub game! I'd look at what someone is talking about me in real life, rather than someone in a single pub game of dota, whether that someone is some playing the game for money or not. Everyone should stop being little sissies, little snowflakes and getting outraged over stupid, worthless, meaningless chat comments in random pub games! Why do you think everyone who cares about behaviour in a game has nothing else to do? I don't want to spend time with toxic people, be it at work, while spending time with friends or in a computer game. And I also think you're wrong that toxic behaviour in computer games can not carry over to situations outside that community. Shit like that gets more acceptable even when we just accept it in a computer game community. My point is: If you don't care about racism, ableism, whatever in computer game communities that's your thing. I don't think that shit is any more acceptable in computer games then anywhere else in the world. And I do have a life and I'd do the same there. So just stay away from discussions like that if you don't care. | ||
dragonswarrior
370 Posts
On June 05 2019 00:51 SK.Testie wrote: No one is the arbiter over another mans speech. Poor phrasing maybe, but the sentiment of "Let's all be respectful of each other so we can all live in a less stressful/more fulfilling society" doesn't control anyone's free speech and I think is a supremely worthy goal. And if it makes a bunch of bigots feel bad about their life choices then I consider that a bonus win. No one is taking away *my* free speech just to protect a bunch of racists' feelings. | ||
SK.Testie
Canada11 Posts
On June 05 2019 20:51 dragonswarrior wrote: Poor phrasing maybe, but the sentiment of "Let's all be respectful of each other so we can all live in a less stressful/more fulfilling society" doesn't control anyone's free speech and I think is a supremely worthy goal. And if it makes a bunch of bigots feel bad about their life choices then I consider that a bonus win. No one is taking away *my* free speech just to protect a bunch of racists' feelings. Congratulations on your moral authority. If I am in a game talking to my friends I should be able to say every little thing that comes to mind and no person should ever inhibit the thoughts in my own head. To do so is totalitarian in nature and you can take your "Let's be respectful of each other" shtick and shove it directly up your ass. I don't believe inhibiting other peoples thoughts is respectful. It's condescending in nature. It's the complete lack of respect and disgust you feel for another persons true thoughts that makes you feel validated enough that you can pretend to be a moral authority over what they can and cannot say. Lying to each other is not getting along. Any minute you have to subvert the truth and replace it with a lie you are making the world a little more full of shit and chaotic. And I would argue that's a terrible thing. Let grown men talk the way they wish to talk, and let them do it freely. The minute someone attempts to tell you, "you can't say that" is the minute you tell them to screw off in the most offensive way possible. Do not attempt to dictate what a man thinks. Vulgarity has its uses and can be extremely effective. | ||
dragonswarrior
370 Posts
On June 06 2019 23:28 SK.Testie wrote: Congratulations on your moral authority. If I am in a game talking to my friends I should be able to say every little thing that comes to mind and no person should ever inhibit the thoughts in my own head. To do so is totalitarian in nature and you can take your "Let's be respectful of each other" shtick and shove it directly up your ass. I don't believe inhibiting other peoples thoughts is respectful. It's condescending in nature. It's the complete lack of respect and disgust you feel for another persons true thoughts that makes you feel validated enough that you can pretend to be a moral authority over what they can and cannot say. Lying to each other is not getting along. Any minute you have to subvert the truth and replace it with a lie you are making the world a little more full of shit and chaotic. And I would argue that's a terrible thing. Let grown men talk the way they wish to talk, and let them do it freely. The minute someone attempts to tell you, "you can't say that" is the minute you tell them to screw off in the most offensive way possible. Do not attempt to dictate what a man thinks. Vulgarity has its uses and can be extremely effective. "Let grown men talk the way they wish to talk, and let them do it freely" Buddy, you missed my last point spectacularly. This is why I can never take positions like yours seriously. You've spent your entire response whining about how I shouldn't be able to speak what's on *my* mind because it makes you feel bad for speaking what's on your mind, or something. Do you not see the hypocrisy there? You accuse someone who's saying you should treat others nicely of totalitarian speech while telling them they can't tell others to be more respectful? You are trying to silence MY speech in the name of your twisted ideal of free speech. Of course it isn't actually free speech. If it was you'd come at me with a very different argument. You just want to be an arsehole without having to face any social consequences for your behavior. My schtick fits very nicely up my ass by the way, thank you for asking. You should try it sometime! It's a lot of fun, and surprisingly fulfilling. Makes everyone's life more pleasant, including your own. *winks* | ||
dragonswarrior
370 Posts
On June 07 2019 02:07 SK.Testie wrote: The difference is I wouldn't incur any penalties on your speech. I wouldn't attempt to control it or enforce it through economic sanctions or bans or anything like that. If you're an asshole in a game, I'm not going to want to play with you. Reporting you is me exercising my right of my free speech. Your being an asshole is you exercising yours, but if the government doesn't do anything then any consequences you receive from me exercising my free speech rights or Valve exercising theirs are just consequences for your choices, not any form of ludicrous totalitarianism or some such. You wishing that being an asshole is consequence free isn't free speech, it's entitlement that will trample on many other people's free speech. | ||
MWY
Germany11 Posts
I think there's a difference between disagreeing with someone and ignoring someones thoughts and trying to shape, control or limit speech because in one's mind "it's the right thing". In one scenario you credit the other person his or her right to her actions/behaviour but reject or ignore them, while in the other you actively try to enforce power/control over other people because you value your personal views higher/more important/better than theirs (even though you most like do not know enough about them to truly judge their character). | ||
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