• Log InLog In
  • Register
  • Shop
Liquid`
TeamLiquid Liquipedia TLnet LiquidHearth LiquidLegends
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Live Streams
  • Calendar
  • Liquipedia
  • Store
  • Heroes
  • Items
  • Store
  • Players
  • Teams
  • Recent Results
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
MDL Macau - Time to Roll the Dice!6Dota 2 Matches: Happy Valentine's Day5Op-ed: The Question of Qualifier Slots11AdmiralBulldog interview @ MegaFon Winter Clash7Kuroky interviewed @ MegaFon Winter Clash6
Community News
Maybe Next Time leaves Vega Squadron17.21b released!15Valve Employee Responds to News on Kuku and WESG8Dreamleague qualified teams!3Valve Announces 2019 New Bloom0
Dota 2 General
General
Maybe Next Time leaves Vega Squadron MDL Macau - Time to Roll the Dice! 7.21b released! Kuroky interviewed @ MegaFon Winter Clash Kuku not allowed to enter Chongqing for WESG Dota 2 Matches: Happy Valentine's Day Valve Employee Responds to News on Kuku and WESG AdmiralBulldog interview @ MegaFon Winter Clash
The Tavern
Official Off-Topic General Discussion In-Game Standard Hero Builds Project Dota 2 not installed in my external hard drive Looking for people to play with (US East) Crystal Maiden model The GOOD Moments in Dota
Tournaments
[ESL One] Katowice 2019 - Group Stage Day 2 [MDL] Macau 2019 - Group Stage Day 2 [MDL] Macau 2019 - Group Stage Day 1 [ESL One] Katowice 2019 - Group Stage Day 1 WePlay! DotA2 Valentine Madness - February 10-16
Players & Teams
OG Discussion Team Liquid Discussion Evil Geniuses Discussion Na`Vi Discussion Alliance Discussion PSG.LGD Discussion
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Community
General
The Big Programming Thread US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI The Math Thread
Other Games
Destiny 2 - PC/Xbox/PS4 Age of Wonders: Planetfall Apex Legends - F2P Battle Royal
Artifact
Introducing DrawTwo.gg! Tips for new players Hyped's post-nerf tier list
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
IEM Katowice Major 2019 Legends Stage Counter-Strike: Global Offensive IEM Katowice Major 2019 Challengers Stage
Heroes of the Storm
[HotS] Moving Forward in HotS HotS: WP and Funny Moments 2/4/19 Ana/Abathur PTR patch notes
Sports
2018 - 2019 Football Thread 2018 NFL and CFB season 2018 UFC/MMA Discussion Thread
Media & Entertainment
What Are You Reading 2019 Movies you have seen recently... Korean Music Discussion
TL Mafia
Sengoku Mafia End of the World Party Mafia British Empire Mini Mafia II
Blogs
I dropped out of college to …
Laertes
fantasy dota heroes …
ThePianoDentist
The death of a pub
Julmust

Website Feedback

Closed Threads

Discord Server


Active: 461 users

Valve Disqualifies Pain X from Chongqing Major

Forum Index > Dota 2 General
42 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea5716 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-28 23:08:36
November 28 2018 23:02 GMT
#1

Valve
Disqualifies Pain X



Valve have disqualified pain X from the Chongqing Major and awarded their qualifier spot to the runner-up, Thunder Predator. Valve felt that "a team temporarily traveling to and from a region just to compete in the qualifiers clearly does not provide any meaningful benefit to the region" and thus are barring the team from playing in South American qualifiers.

Valve's full statement:
We are disqualifying Pain X from the South American regional qualifiers, and giving their spot to the runner-up, Thunder Predator.

Three months ago, we were contacted by Pain X inquiring about playing in the South American qualifiers. They asked if they could participate in them by traveling back and forth to the region to play in the qualifiers, rather than staying in the region. We explained to them that they couldn’t do that. We walked them through our reasoning, and what the purpose of regional qualifiers are, and why we thought that neither we nor fans would consider them an actual South American team.

The reasons for guaranteed spots for each region is because we want to help nurture competitive growth in different regions, as well as have regional representation for fans around the world. We think it’s important for fans to be able to see their regions grow, and their teams compete in global events. A team temporarily traveling to and from a region just to compete in the qualifiers clearly does not provide any meaningful benefit to the region, and harms growth overall. When you are an actual team that lives in a region, you end up practicing with other teams, nurturing the region and growing local fans there. We explained this to Pain X three months ago, and as such, after investigating, we are removing them from the South American qualifiers.

For teams that try to bend the rules on this to gain a competitive advantage over other teams, you run the risk of being disqualified outright. We will always reserve discretion to decide what is in the spirit of the regional goals and what is not. If a team wants to move to a new region completely, they are free to contact us and try to make their case on why they think they will be an actual team in that region going forward.


Source
Facebook Twitter Reddit
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
KalWarkov
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany143 Posts
November 28 2018 23:07 GMT
#2
i get that, but why do it AFTER the qualifier is played out. that's really odd
DiaBoLuS *** Protoss Cheeseking. Sc2: 15x GM throughout WoL/HotS/LotV / Dota2: peak 5.8k solo / divine 5 / Wc3: 2016/2017 ~rank 100 W3A, 60%+ winrate [UD]. / Diablo 2 / Grim Dawn / PoE nerd. Melee / Chess nerd (watching)***
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States2813 Posts
November 28 2018 23:29 GMT
#3
On November 29 2018 08:07 KalWarkov wrote:
i get that, but why do it AFTER the qualifier is played out. that's really odd


PPD had to get the salty tweet out to make valve's blatant hypocrisy even more obvious. Don't you know valve only tries to fix disasters after they happen instead of preventing them?
"you can't be smart if you're not willing to look dumb" - Grandgrant
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary3251 Posts
November 28 2018 23:32 GMT
#4
good
FTD
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States2813 Posts
November 29 2018 00:01 GMT
#5
The next question is whether coL gets disqualified, but they have two americans at least compared to pain x's one brazilian. Have they actually stayed in north america and for how long? Seems like limp has been there a while. I wouldn't bet on them getting the DQ.
"you can't be smart if you're not willing to look dumb" - Grandgrant
Ritsu_
Profile Joined June 2017
Peru2 Posts
November 29 2018 00:01 GMT
#6
Did they drop PainX or PainX dropped them? I think that's the main issue because the way how they just retroactively disqualify them is outrageous.
There's no epic Gille Villeneuve quote
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1574 Posts
November 29 2018 00:12 GMT
#7
is there even written rules anywhere
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile28892 Posts
November 29 2018 00:24 GMT
#8
this is a good move

i mean what the fuck, did they really want a free pass going to an easier region? what a bunch of assholes

the reason to staying in the region means you play with the region and region grows with you
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States6034 Posts
November 29 2018 00:28 GMT
#9
They really should have done this before the Regional Qualifiers. The regional rules need to be enforced, but do ex-Pain X get an invite to the NA Regionals for the Minor?
Nyan
Profile Joined April 2015
Germany1848 Posts
November 29 2018 01:53 GMT
#10
they were invited to the qualifiers.
sure let it play out first ..
?=・ェ・=) oʞǝu (^=˃ᆺ˂) oʞǝu (=xェx=) oʞǝu (=^-ω-^=) ( ⓛ ω ⓛ *) oʞǝu (ㅇㅅㅇ❀) oʞǝu (=ↀωↀ=)✧ oʞǝu (=・ェ・=?
Circumstance
Profile Joined March 2014
United States96 Posts
November 29 2018 01:58 GMT
#11
No, Valve didn't do it at the right time, but at least they did it.

On November 29 2018 09:01 Achaian wrote:
The next question is whether coL gets disqualified, but they have two americans at least compared to pain x's one brazilian. Have they actually stayed in north america and for how long? Seems like limp has been there a while. I wouldn't bet on them getting the DQ.


For that matter, given what we've established, shouldn't Team Spirit be off to EU qualifiers for the Minor? I think they're flying under the radar a bit.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
VvvV1251
Profile Joined January 2016
Algeria120 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-29 03:33:54
November 29 2018 03:31 GMT
#12
It looks like Valve want to install a "precedent" so teams can no longer move between regions. But they should put specific rules regarding this issue, and not leave it as "we and the fans don't feel it's right".

Blizzard did the same thing in SC2 HOTS, by locking region based on nationalities and preventing Korea from flooding others regions (well pretty much every region WCS was won by a Korean). and it require a work visa (not totally sure) to play in the concerned region. few years later this decision seems to be the right one, as we have non-Korean players winning tournament with the best Korean players in it. (Serral and Neeb).

Well SC2 is a one vs one games, so it's easier to implement this idea, however since Dota is a 5vs5 with players from different nationalities in each teams, it going to need a lot of brain-storming to come up with an idea to prevent region travel.

Players nationalities requirement may do the trick, something like 3 players native to a region would do the trick but this is just a temporary measure, Of course there is no need to install any of this requirement in the stronger regions (EU/China).
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia3160 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-29 03:38:20
November 29 2018 03:33 GMT
#13
I'm confused. is it Pain or Pain X?
I didn't see any Pain X in the liquipedia.
is Team123 still considered Pain X?

On November 29 2018 12:31 VvvV1251 wrote:
It looks like Valve want to install a "precedent" so teams can no longer move between regions. But they should put specific rules regarding this issue, and not leave it as "we and the fans don't feel it's right".

Blizzard did the same thing in SC2 HOTS, by locking region based on nationalities and preventing Korea from flooding others regions (well pretty much every region WCS was won by a Korean). and it require a work visa (not totally sure) to play in the concerned region. few years later this decision seems to be the right one, as we have non-Korean players winning tournament with the best Korean players in it. (Serral and Neeb).

Well SC2 is a one vs one games, so it's easier to implement this idea, however since Dota is a 5vs5 with players from different nationalities in each teams, it going to need a lot of brain-storming to come up with an idea to prevent region travel.

Players nationalities requirement may do the trick, something like 3 players native to a region would do the trick but this is just a temporary measure, Of course there is no need to install any of this requirement in the stronger regions (EU/China).

I refuse to say its a good move.
Serral and Neeb wins because there's no new generation in Korea scene. current top Korean players have been around for ages, Maru for example have been around since the first GSL, TY & Innovation are ex-BW players. Blizzard kills the Korean, not nurtured foreign scene!!!
-Terran-
VvvV1251
Profile Joined January 2016
Algeria120 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-29 03:36:26
November 29 2018 03:35 GMT
#14
On November 29 2018 12:33 Vertical wrote:
I'm confused. is it Pain or Pain X?
I didn't see any Pain X in the liquipedia.
is Team123 still considered Pain X?


Ex-Pain x now renamed to test123, due to organization (pain) dropping the team over Ccnc (calling a Brazilian Ape is a huge offense) racism's case (reason cited).
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia3160 Posts
November 29 2018 03:38 GMT
#15
On November 29 2018 12:35 VvvV1251 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2018 12:33 Vertical wrote:
I'm confused. is it Pain or Pain X?
I didn't see any Pain X in the liquipedia.
is Team123 still considered Pain X?


Ex-Pain x now renamed to test123, due to organization (pain) dropping the team over Ccnc (calling a Brazilian Ape is a huge offense) racism's case (reason cited).

that's even weirder, why still refer them as Pain X
-Terran-
VvvV1251
Profile Joined January 2016
Algeria120 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-29 03:49:13
November 29 2018 03:45 GMT
#16
Well SC2 is pretty much a national e-sport in Korea, due to the lack of founding caused the Korean scene to degrade (main reason is pro-league being stopped and teams disbanding, no more stable income from salaries the teams provided, and in general the "gaming" atmosphere surrounding it) or it was the other way around, with other regions being able the find their owns play-style once they were freed from the Korean influence.

Anyways we are going off-topic. as for why the post is still calling them Pain-x i also want to know.

Nevuk
Profile Joined March 2009
United States9807 Posts
November 29 2018 04:00 GMT
#17
That's how Valve referred to them in their statement. So definitely a mistake by them (though the intent is pretty clear).

Community News
Circumstance
Profile Joined March 2014
United States96 Posts
November 29 2018 04:03 GMT
#18
Now that Valve has dipped their toes into this water, there are questions that need answering, such as the status of 2-2-1 stacks and the eligibility of players like Fly, who I always assumed could be counted as NA or as EU.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
550
Profile Joined April 2018
418 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-29 04:17:33
November 29 2018 04:12 GMT
#19
on painx being dropped by pain- (unrelated)

no way its just because of the word right?

hasnt ccnc always been nice (why does this matter anyway)? and isnt normal that many other people say 10x worse things 10x more often?

this happened way back and just got missed?

all the current drama, is exhausting, but this sucks pretty bad if it was true (not the valve dropping, but the pain dropping due to word)

or maybe they already decided to drop the squad and this just happened near the time
Nevuk
Profile Joined March 2009
United States9807 Posts
November 29 2018 04:12 GMT
#20
On November 29 2018 13:12 550 wrote:
no way its just because of the word right?

hasnt ccnc always been nice (why does this matter anyway)? and isnt normal that many other people say 10x worse things 10x more often?

this happened way back and just got missed?

all the current drama, is exhausting, but this sucks pretty bad if it was true (not the valve dropping, but the pain dropping due to word)

Nothing to do with what he said, it's because his team wasn't living in SA despite it being the SA qualifier
Community News
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in (you can use your steam or reddit account!) or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
MarsTV Dota 2 League
Group Stage
EHOME vs VPLIVE!
RNG vs VGLIVE!
NewBee vs Liquid40m
EG vs iG40m
iG vs VP2h 10m
RNG vs EHOME2h 10m
EG vs Liquid3h 40m
NewBee vs VP3h 40m
NewBee vs VG5h 10m
RNG vs iG5h 10m
EHOME vs EG6h 40m
VP vs Liquid6h 40m
Liquid vs VG8h 10m
NewBee vs iG8h 10m
BeyondTheSummit16973
Dota2ruhub 11711
BeyondTheSummit22338
beyondthesummit_pt 2019
Dota2ruhub3 1480
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
Players
WagamamaTV1909
BananaSlamJamma1497
EternaLEnVyy823
Moonmeander443
Organizations
esl_dota21875
GamerStudioTV 228
DreamLeague21
[ Show 84 non-featured ]
Dota 2
• dogdog5544
• rhdgurwns3695
• Cyberclasher 1831
• saddota2tv1564
• kyo19841231470
• red_machine777571
• missclick_tv 383
• MrMouton345
• lelisdota341
• Sunlight312
• MGodDOTA246
• Shantao240
• AIRWISBTS202
• bangfish188
• 威傅161
• akyhamatataaaa161
• quledota158
• FroggedTV 157
• dubassssssss137
• pd4liver 132
• archangelskiy 126
• 毛125
• 花枝炒麵116
• kastata931116
• 小云兒102
• PeterPPA95
• PsicologyDota 94
• punkiiUNBELIEVABLE92
• Ner1zhul85
• 23creativevn 83
• Vardth80
• 끼마끼마76
• 三好大叔 73
• soulmategame67
• dotatv24765
• JavierDulzaides64
• 12gram64
• Broxy_TV63
• Autodestruction57
• natzzz280653
• zatugod53
• baronsamedi352
• xGaRgoNiTx 52
• meeponegero146
• Locodoco45
• monza133741
• Mionsauro39
• insulinque37
• zsaymyn4m336
• pandainmypanties36
• 무커35
• inK_Dota35
• PerTzo34
• krylat34
• 1BuHorPaduHa133
• YuneNeko31
• jesus_quintana27
• MARZiTOiSONFiRE27
• BloodyNine27
• typeForced25
• lukiluki25
• Don_Jobra24
• SntMexx24
• ccanmcmper24
• rossmanngroup23
• kopatichh22
• Cstarleague21
• HELMETofCHEESE20
• marphoria19
• meow_juega18
• Lunnita17
• janicedagiau16
• godmeepo16
• GravityCat16
• lDantecarlosl16
• Breannabot15
• TheTrueDeerLord14
• mortaaTV 13
• TEKCAC 12
• Yimbler12
• Crisvil_Peru11
• mashiruams10
• valpaltv10
• liorekwow10
Upcoming Events
ESL One
Secret vs Gambit7h 10m
Mineski vs FWD7h 10m
OG vs FTD7h 10m
Fnatic vs NiP9h 50m
Chaos vs Alliance9h 50m
Aster vs coL9h 50m
TBD vs TBD12h 40m
TBD vs TBD12h 40m
MarsTV Dota 2 League
TBD vs TBD22h 10m
TBD vs TBD1d 1h
TBD vs TBD1d 5h
TBD vs TBD1d 6h
ESL One
TBD vs TBD1d 7h
TBD vs TBD1d 11h
TBD vs TBD1d 14h
MarsTV Dota 2 League
TBD vs TBD1d 22h
TBD vs TBD2 days
TBD vs TBD2 days
TBD vs TBD2 days
ESL One
TBD vs TBD2 days
TBD vs TBD2 days
TBD vs TBD2 days
[ Show More ]
MarsTV Dota 2 League
TBD vs TBD3 days
TBD vs TBD3 days
ESL One
TBD vs TBD3 days
TBD vs TBD3 days
ESL One
Lotac vs 4966 days
TnC vs PG.BarracX6 days
TBD vs TBD6 days
TBD vs TBD6 days
ESL One
TBD vs TBD6 days
TBD vs TBD6 days
TBD vs TBD6 days
TBD vs TBD6 days
ESL One
Na`Vi vs Elements6 days
Alliance vs Gambit6 days
TBD vs TBD6 days
TBD vs TBD6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Asia Pro League S2
The Chongqing Major

Ongoing

ESL One Katowice 2019
MDL Macau 2019
The Challenge Cup S2

Upcoming

DreamLeague S11
WESG 2018
StarLadder ImbaTV Minor

Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Lip Comarella / SalonAlpin.
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2019 LiquidDota.com. All Rights Reserved.