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Valve
Disqualifies Pain X
Valve have disqualified pain X from the Chongqing Major and awarded their qualifier spot to the runner-up, Thunder Predator. Valve felt that "a team temporarily traveling to and from a region just to compete in the qualifiers clearly does not provide any meaningful benefit to the region" and thus are barring the team from playing in South American qualifiers.
Valve's full statement:
We are disqualifying Pain X from the South American regional qualifiers, and giving their spot to the runner-up, Thunder Predator.
Three months ago, we were contacted by Pain X inquiring about playing in the South American qualifiers. They asked if they could participate in them by traveling back and forth to the region to play in the qualifiers, rather than staying in the region. We explained to them that they couldn’t do that. We walked them through our reasoning, and what the purpose of regional qualifiers are, and why we thought that neither we nor fans would consider them an actual South American team.
The reasons for guaranteed spots for each region is because we want to help nurture competitive growth in different regions, as well as have regional representation for fans around the world. We think it’s important for fans to be able to see their regions grow, and their teams compete in global events. A team temporarily traveling to and from a region just to compete in the qualifiers clearly does not provide any meaningful benefit to the region, and harms growth overall. When you are an actual team that lives in a region, you end up practicing with other teams, nurturing the region and growing local fans there. We explained this to Pain X three months ago, and as such, after investigating, we are removing them from the South American qualifiers.
For teams that try to bend the rules on this to gain a competitive advantage over other teams, you run the risk of being disqualified outright. We will always reserve discretion to decide what is in the spirit of the regional goals and what is not. If a team wants to move to a new region completely, they are free to contact us and try to make their case on why they think they will be an actual team in that region going forward.
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i get that, but why do it AFTER the qualifier is played out. that's really odd
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On November 29 2018 08:07 KalWarkov wrote:
i get that, but why do it AFTER the qualifier is played out. that's really odd
PPD had to get the salty tweet out to make valve's blatant hypocrisy even more obvious. Don't you know valve only tries to fix disasters after they happen instead of preventing them?
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The next question is whether coL gets disqualified, but they have two americans at least compared to pain x's one brazilian. Have they actually stayed in north america and for how long? Seems like limp has been there a while. I wouldn't bet on them getting the DQ.
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Did they drop PainX or PainX dropped them? I think that's the main issue because the way how they just retroactively disqualify them is outrageous.
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is there even written rules anywhere
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this is a good move
i mean what the fuck, did they really want a free pass going to an easier region? what a bunch of assholes
the reason to staying in the region means you play with the region and region grows with you
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They really should have done this before the Regional Qualifiers. The regional rules need to be enforced, but do ex-Pain X get an invite to the NA Regionals for the Minor?
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they were invited to the qualifiers.
sure let it play out first ..
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No, Valve didn't do it at the right time, but at least they did it.
On November 29 2018 09:01 Achaian wrote:
The next question is whether coL gets disqualified, but they have two americans at least compared to pain x's one brazilian. Have they actually stayed in north america and for how long? Seems like limp has been there a while. I wouldn't bet on them getting the DQ.
For that matter, given what we've established, shouldn't Team Spirit be off to EU qualifiers for the Minor? I think they're flying under the radar a bit.
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It looks like Valve want to install a "precedent" so teams can no longer move between regions. But they should put specific rules regarding this issue, and not leave it as "we and the fans don't feel it's right".
Blizzard did the same thing in SC2 HOTS, by locking region based on nationalities and preventing Korea from flooding others regions (well pretty much every region WCS was won by a Korean). and it require a work visa (not totally sure) to play in the concerned region. few years later this decision seems to be the right one, as we have non-Korean players winning tournament with the best Korean players in it. (Serral and Neeb).
Well SC2 is a one vs one games, so it's easier to implement this idea, however since Dota is a 5vs5 with players from different nationalities in each teams, it going to need a lot of brain-storming to come up with an idea to prevent region travel.
Players nationalities requirement may do the trick, something like 3 players native to a region would do the trick but this is just a temporary measure, Of course there is no need to install any of this requirement in the stronger regions (EU/China).
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I'm confused. is it Pain or Pain X?
I didn't see any Pain X in the liquipedia.
is Team123 still considered Pain X?
On November 29 2018 12:31 VvvV1251 wrote:
It looks like Valve want to install a "precedent" so teams can no longer move between regions. But they should put specific rules regarding this issue, and not leave it as "we and the fans don't feel it's right".
Blizzard did the same thing in SC2 HOTS, by locking region based on nationalities and preventing Korea from flooding others regions (well pretty much every region WCS was won by a Korean). and it require a work visa (not totally sure) to play in the concerned region. few years later this decision seems to be the right one, as we have non-Korean players winning tournament with the best Korean players in it. (Serral and Neeb).
Well SC2 is a one vs one games, so it's easier to implement this idea, however since Dota is a 5vs5 with players from different nationalities in each teams, it going to need a lot of brain-storming to come up with an idea to prevent region travel.
Players nationalities requirement may do the trick, something like 3 players native to a region would do the trick but this is just a temporary measure, Of course there is no need to install any of this requirement in the stronger regions (EU/China).
I refuse to say its a good move.
Serral and Neeb wins because there's no new generation in Korea scene. current top Korean players have been around for ages, Maru for example have been around since the first GSL, TY & Innovation are ex-BW players. Blizzard kills the Korean, not nurtured foreign scene!!!
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On November 29 2018 12:33 Vertical wrote:
I'm confused. is it Pain or Pain X?
I didn't see any Pain X in the liquipedia.
is Team123 still considered Pain X?
Ex-Pain x now renamed to test123, due to organization (pain) dropping the team over Ccnc (calling a Brazilian Ape is a huge offense) racism's case (reason cited).
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On November 29 2018 12:35 VvvV1251 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2018 12:33 Vertical wrote:
I'm confused. is it Pain or Pain X?
I didn't see any Pain X in the liquipedia.
is Team123 still considered Pain X? Ex-Pain x now renamed to test123, due to organization (pain) dropping the team over Ccnc (calling a Brazilian Ape is a huge offense) racism's case (reason cited).
that's even weirder, why still refer them as Pain X
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Well SC2 is pretty much a national e-sport in Korea, due to the lack of founding caused the Korean scene to degrade (main reason is pro-league being stopped and teams disbanding, no more stable income from salaries the teams provided, and in general the "gaming" atmosphere surrounding it) or it was the other way around, with other regions being able the find their owns play-style once they were freed from the Korean influence.
Anyways we are going off-topic. as for why the post is still calling them Pain-x i also want to know.
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That's how Valve referred to them in their statement. So definitely a mistake by them (though the intent is pretty clear).
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Now that Valve has dipped their toes into this water, there are questions that need answering, such as the status of 2-2-1 stacks and the eligibility of players like Fly, who I always assumed could be counted as NA or as EU.
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on painx being dropped by pain- (unrelated)
no way its just because of the word right?
hasnt ccnc always been nice (why does this matter anyway)? and isnt normal that many other people say 10x worse things 10x more often?
this happened way back and just got missed?
all the current drama, is exhausting, but this sucks pretty bad if it was true (not the valve dropping, but the pain dropping due to word)
or maybe they already decided to drop the squad and this just happened near the time
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On November 29 2018 13:12 550 wrote:
no way its just because of the word right?
hasnt ccnc always been nice (why does this matter anyway)? and isnt normal that many other people say 10x worse things 10x more often?
this happened way back and just got missed?
all the current drama, is exhausting, but this sucks pretty bad if it was true (not the valve dropping, but the pain dropping due to word)
Nothing to do with what he said, it's because his team wasn't living in SA despite it being the SA qualifier
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