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CheeseInSpace
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany24 Posts
May 04 2014 16:25 GMT
#1
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197 tournaments, 641 teams, 2.430 results and 6.775 ranking positions – e-Rankings expands to Dota 2 with a huge database. All you fans of Anti-Mage, Divine Rapier and Natus Vincere (or anything else) get a calculated World Ranking, a voted Community Ranking, a Quickrating game and lots of team profiles with detailed infomation about your favourite teams. How does it all work? Read on!

World Ranking: Calculated based on tournament performance

The key feature of e-Rankings is the World Ranking. It is calculated based on the tournament performance of teams. Each team receives points for finishing a tournament based on the category of this tournament. Events are sorted into six different categories based on prize money ranging from ‘Global’ with more than $100.000 to ‘Challenger’ with more than $500 prize money. The database currently consists of almost 200 tournaments from August 2011 to May 2014.

Community World Ranking: Rate teams and create your own ranking

Besides the calculated World Ranking there is another ranking: The Community World Ranking is based on the ratings of you, our users. You can rate each team from ‘Bad’ to ‘Pro’ which equals 1 to 4 points. The average values of all ratings of all teams create the Community World Ranking. Since there are not enough ratings yet, the current Community World Ranking is empty, but that will change in the future. You can rate teams directly in their profiles or multiple teams in our Quickrating game.

Quickrating Game: Rate teams and earn badges

I already mentioned the Quickrating game: It allows you to rate teams in a quick manner. By doing that you earn badges and user levels – the higher your userlevel the more features are unlocked. For example you can later on change your ratings or recommend your ratings to other users to help them evaluate teams.

Huge database: 200 tournaments, 650 teams and counting

Our database currently consists of almost 200 tournaments from August 2011 to today and contains the results of almost 650 different teams.

Blog: Analysis, interviews and more

All the rankings and databases are just a huge chunk of numbers – my blog is there to analyse, explain the data, point out remarkable details and entertain you. There will be a new article almost daily, so make sure to follow us on Facebook and Twitter to not miss anything.

Anything else? Contact me

So who is the mastermind behind all this – it’s me Hi, i am Christoph, living in Munich, Germany, Freelancer journalist for 15 years and E-Sport enthusiast since the release of Warcraft 3 in 2002, currently playing Dota 2 myself regularly – although you don’t wanna know my MMR-rating If you feel anything on this page is wrong, missing, if you wanna help me with my work (or even pay me) or just feel like talking and discussing some aspect, feel free to contact me – i will answer friendly and immediately.

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VoirDire
Profile Joined February 2009
Sweden76 Posts
May 04 2014 16:39 GMT
#2
The rankings are absurdly inaccurate imho. EG with less than a third of the points of Navi and cloud9 are ranked #22 below many korean teams.

These existing ranking lists are much more up to date:

http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings
http://www.joindota.com/en/edb/teams
CheeseInSpace
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany24 Posts
May 04 2014 17:22 GMT
#3
I agree that the number of korean teams deforms the ranking a bit and i think about ways to change that.

Concerning EG and Navi, i don't see the problem: For example, EG earned $50.000 this year in prize money and Navi ~$125.000 which is 2.5x. So why shouldn't they have 3x the points of EG (note: i only counted 2014 in this example, i guess the gap would be even greater if i include the past 12 months)? No offense, just asking for your opinion.
AnonymousSC2
Profile Joined January 2014
United States22 Posts
May 04 2014 17:35 GMT
#4
On May 05 2014 01:39 VoirDire wrote:
The rankings are absurdly inaccurate imho. EG with less than a third of the points of Navi and cloud9 are ranked #22 below many korean teams.

These existing ranking lists are much more up to date:

http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings
http://www.joindota.com/en/edb/teams


These rankings go further back than your memory. EG was essentially shit until this year. Na'Vi has been consistent for many, many years. And I'd still give Na'Vi the edge at this upcoming TI4.
Zenniv
Profile Joined September 2011
United States263 Posts
May 04 2014 17:42 GMT
#5
Using tournament history and empirical data for dota teams is a bad idea. Teams always change...
As for the quickrating system, its interesting but biased, what is the point of it??
CheeseInSpace
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany24 Posts
May 04 2014 18:12 GMT
#6
Why biased?
Spoofy
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden10 Posts
May 04 2014 18:19 GMT
#7
A problem I see when rating teams/players is a skip button, if I don't know who that person/team is and I am forced to vote it will be incorrectly rated.
CheeseInSpace
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany24 Posts
May 04 2014 18:23 GMT
#8
Good point, i will add that.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada9755 Posts
May 04 2014 18:30 GMT
#9
On May 05 2014 02:35 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 01:39 VoirDire wrote:
The rankings are absurdly inaccurate imho. EG with less than a third of the points of Navi and cloud9 are ranked #22 below many korean teams.

These existing ranking lists are much more up to date:

http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings
http://www.joindota.com/en/edb/teams


These rankings go further back than your memory. EG was essentially shit until this year. Na'Vi has been consistent for many, many years. And I'd still give Na'Vi the edge at this upcoming TI4.


Except you can't have a "current ranking" system that just takes all the results since the beginning of time. At least not without putting extreme weighting towards recent tournaments.

Otherwise it's just a ranking about which teams (and not even the players on the teams) have earned the most money, and which have been around the longest.

For example, with this site, I would imagine that Na'Vi could lose every single match for the next year straight and they'd still be in the top 10.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
NbSky
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada256 Posts
May 04 2014 18:31 GMT
#10
On May 05 2014 02:35 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 01:39 VoirDire wrote:
The rankings are absurdly inaccurate imho. EG with less than a third of the points of Navi and cloud9 are ranked #22 below many korean teams.

These existing ranking lists are much more up to date:

http://www.gosugamers.net/rankings
http://www.joindota.com/en/edb/teams


These rankings go further back than your memory. EG was essentially shit until this year. Na'Vi has been consistent for many, many years. And I'd still give Na'Vi the edge at this upcoming TI4.


It doesn't matter if they were shit before, if these are ratings they are def top 5 in the world now, they should of won enough tournaments and got enough points to make up for it. I don't get why they are top 3 in GG/JD and ranked so poorly in this.
Sandstorm@USEast | The Last Pride [EviL] GW2 | Nb.Sky
CheeseInSpace
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany24 Posts
May 04 2014 19:21 GMT
#11
I honestly can't tell you why EG is Top3 in GG/JD, because i don't find any explanations on both sites about how their rankings are calculated. But you can always check my calculations
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada9755 Posts
May 04 2014 20:03 GMT
#12
On May 05 2014 04:21 CheeseInSpace wrote:
I honestly can't tell you why EG is Top3 in GG/JD, because i don't find any explanations on both sites about how their rankings are calculated. But you can always check my calculations


Yeah, as I said, your ranking has zero bearing on current standings and everything to do with how long a team has been around and how much money went into the team's pocket.

Don't see how your stats are any more relevant than SC2earnings.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada1888 Posts
May 04 2014 20:11 GMT
#13
but really lol zephyr
Chewits
Profile Joined September 2006
Northern Ireland260 Posts
May 04 2014 20:11 GMT
#14
When I click on Dota 2, it just reloads the SC2 rankings. I cannot see dota 2 rankings...
Whats the altitude?
CheeseInSpace
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany24 Posts
May 04 2014 21:00 GMT
#15
On May 05 2014 05:11 Chewits wrote:
When I click on Dota 2, it just reloads the SC2 rankings. I cannot see dota 2 rankings...


You probably have cookies disabled. You need to turn them on.

On May 05 2014 05:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Yeah, as I said, your ranking has zero bearing on current standings and everything to do with how long a team has been around and how much money went into the team's pocket.

Don't see how your stats are any more relevant than SC2earnings.


No it does not have everything to do with how long a team has been around because the ranking only counts results of the past 12 months. If you want to know which team was the best in the past 3 month , there is a special ranking for that

Sc2Earnings has nothing to do with Dota and is not updated anymore.
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland1906 Posts
May 04 2014 21:20 GMT
#16
On May 05 2014 06:00 CheeseInSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 05:11 Chewits wrote:
When I click on Dota 2, it just reloads the SC2 rankings. I cannot see dota 2 rankings...


You probably have cookies disabled. You need to turn them on.

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 05:03 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Yeah, as I said, your ranking has zero bearing on current standings and everything to do with how long a team has been around and how much money went into the team's pocket.

Don't see how your stats are any more relevant than SC2earnings.


No it does not have everything to do with how long a team has been around because the ranking only counts results of the past 12 months. If you want to know which team was the best in the past 3 month , there is a special ranking for that

Sc2Earnings has nothing to do with Dota and is not updated anymore.

Thats even bigger joke, noone sane would consider team that is losing to tier 2 SEA teams 2nd best team in last 3 months. Also MVP and Liquid in top 10...
CheeseInSpace
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany24 Posts
May 04 2014 21:27 GMT
#17
As already mentioned, the ranking is a bit broken when it comes to korean teams.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil11086 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 21:40:47
May 04 2014 21:31 GMT
#18
On May 05 2014 06:27 CheeseInSpace wrote:
As already mentioned, the ranking is a bit broken when it comes to korean teams.

It's not just korean teams. Fnatic did nothing to prove they are better than EG. And TL has absolutelly no reason to be above every single chinese team not called DK.

In the standard ranks, C9 is below VP, PR, even mousesports. Newbee is at 66th, a bit ahead of QPAD and below Relax, ForLove, Oslik Gaming. It just makes no sense, whether you are looking at short term or long term rankings.

Even looking at a single team it doesn't work. Navi got the same amount of points for winning the Alienware cup, 2nd place of TI and winning D2CL. And they got twice that amount for winning Starladder.
CheeseInSpace
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany24 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 21:40:35
May 04 2014 21:40 GMT
#19
Then go Quickrating and create a ranking you think is best
NbSky
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada256 Posts
May 05 2014 02:57 GMT
#20
On May 05 2014 06:40 CheeseInSpace wrote:
Then go Quickrating and create a ranking you think is best


Nobody has time for that, if you're going to take the time and effort to do it atleast do it right. These rankings are dumb and im pretty sure everyone above me agrees. Your logic behind the team rating is flawed. If you don't think EG/DK/VG are the best teams in the world right now I suggest you just dont do rankings.
Sandstorm@USEast | The Last Pride [EviL] GW2 | Nb.Sky
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