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Hello everyone,
I decided to take a crack at making an alternative DPC structure to address some of the most popular issues around it. I am mostly influence by words from some of the top level players/talent, as well as hearsay on reddit and my own opinions.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aVhfwzbBkqqnbvpSs-KyGqPs4bUOH9b4bfCtqSfmsy8/edit?usp=sharing
It's long, but the tl;dr is:
- Remove minors, use a regional league system in its place - Reduce # of majors (to 3) to compensate for league play time and opportunities 3rd party events - Highest league placement gets a slot to the next major, follow-up teams participate in playoffs - Lowest team is relegated, booted from the region. Open qualifiers are played following the major to add a new team. - Teams that participate in league are compensated by Valve for some financial stability, in an ideal world, scaled based on their placement (1st, 2, 3-4, 5-8). If not, I provided some ways Valve can monetize "ethically" for more money for them + the scene itself - # of slots a region gets to a major + TI is dependent on cumulative DPC standing for that region. The higher total points a region has, the more slots they get minimum 1, maximum 3. (not counting the direct invite from regional league standings) - A small list of guidelines for an official DPC rulebook - A sample schedule over one "Dota year", image here Appreciate comments and thoughts. Thanks for reading.
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I don't have the time to read through the full document (right now) but the TLDR looks promising. I do, however, really like the idea of a league system. A league system can/should be less taxing on the teams and a league system should mean that more teams have a bigger chance of earning money.
The biggest problem I see is that it kills ESL/DreamHack/whoever wants to do independent events.
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interesting, i cant see valve realistically creating a league. too much involvement from their side...
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On July 23 2019 13:32 rabidch wrote: interesting, i cant see valve realistically creating a league. too much involvement from their side... probably the biggest obstacle, yeah :/
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On July 23 2019 19:54 Julmust wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2019 13:32 rabidch wrote: interesting, i cant see valve realistically creating a league. too much involvement from their side... probably the biggest obstacle, yeah :/
Outsource it? Think ESL / Dreamhack would be happy to handle it. Even Beyond the Summit and FaceIT would likely be interested.
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I didn't consider Valve being super involved in the leagues other than putting up prize money and whatnot. It's more on broadcasting/organizers to handle the minutiae (at least, in concept), as long as they abide by DPC rules. I just don't think Valve are really inclined to redo their system in such a dramatic fashion since this year worked well enough, at least at the t1 scene, and TI remains profitable.
As for the third party events, I had hoped that allotting 2-3 weeks in between the end of a major and the start of the following league would give enough time for other organizers to run events, at least if they want to get some of the major-oriented teams. There's also time prior to a major too if teams are willing.
I had given it some more thought after some feedback on reddit, which was polarizing to say the least. There are ways to adjust the minors without making regional leagues as well, I just liked the idea so I rolled with it.
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On July 24 2019 04:47 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2019 19:54 Julmust wrote:On July 23 2019 13:32 rabidch wrote: interesting, i cant see valve realistically creating a league. too much involvement from their side... probably the biggest obstacle, yeah :/ Outsource it? Think ESL / Dreamhack would be happy to handle it. Even Beyond the Summit and FaceIT would likely be interested. Anything but faceIT
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On July 24 2019 06:50 Wineandbread wrote: I didn't consider Valve being super involved in the leagues other than putting up prize money and whatnot. It's more on broadcasting/organizers to handle the minutiae (at least, in concept), as long as they abide by DPC rules. I just don't think Valve are really inclined to redo their system in such a dramatic fashion since this year worked well enough, at least at the t1 scene, and TI remains profitable.
As for the third party events, I had hoped that allotting 2-3 weeks in between the end of a major and the start of the following league would give enough time for other organizers to run events, at least if they want to get some of the major-oriented teams. There's also time prior to a major too if teams are willing.
I had given it some more thought after some feedback on reddit, which was polarizing to say the least. There are ways to adjust the minors without making regional leagues as well, I just liked the idea so I rolled with it. Can't confirm, when PPD as well as Synd give Valve shit for the season and t3 players come out to say that it's killing the t3 scene I don't think it's working well. r/dota2 is a cesspool when it comes to the topic, although tbf if there is a consensus in opinion there it's pretty much always negative there, it's not a very pleasant forum to visit.
Your idea shares a lot with the suggestions PPD put out. See: https://t.co/Aaq9cHXz5w
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