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The Recap
About a Year ago I posted a blog series on this site where I pushed a smurf account up through the ranks from 3600 all the way to Leaderboards. This was done in the interest of showing people that there is no such thing as the trench, and proving to myself that I was capable in the process.
You can find that here: Link
The Intro
Well this is the sequel, or at least the groundwork for one. I'm planning on doing the same type of series, but with a twist. This time I'll be playing exclusively support and including an accompanying video series and regular streaming sessions. Most importantly I'll be taking an educational approach, but instead of simply sharing my knowledge with you guys I'll be sharing my own learning experience as I am currently a quite awful support player by my standards. I attempted to level my own fresh account by clowning around this time around but unfortunately I calibrated quite a bit to high. So once again I've obtained a low rated account from a friend, and I'll simply switch over once I've hit the MMR my own new account calibrated at.
Here is our starting point:
Who Are You Even?
Just an average gamer who can't stick to a game who likes showing people that a drive to improve and some humility is all it takes to be good at these silly games we love so much. I've played some lackluster competitive DotA, and had a blast doing it, but really have no gaming accomplishments beyond things in other games that are pretty much the same thing as Dota 2 Leaderboards.
The Pow Wow
On to the purpose of this post. Essentially I'm here to ask you guys for ideas, to make this journey everything it can be. Suggestions can be anything from how to make this as educational or entertaining as possible to how to make it as popular as possible and how to publicize it. Perhaps suggest Heroes you'd like to see me succeed on or anything you would have liked to see in my last blog if you've read through it. Thanks for all the support the first time around guys and I really hope I'm able to make a valuable contribution to this community and the DotA Community as a whole this time around!
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Can you link the dotabuff or yasp.co of the account you're using, and stream link etc.?
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Can I suggest using Oracle, the hero with the lowest win rate in the current patch? Just to prove it isn't picking OP heroes. (Also to mess with your life.)
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in ur opinion, which are the top 3 support heroes currently?
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On September 15 2015 14:23 Yurie wrote: Can I suggest using Oracle, the hero with the lowest win rate in the current patch? Just to prove it isn't picking OP heroes. (Also to mess with your life.)
Oracle is actually broken like Slothspirit, there are just not enough high MMR people abusing it °°
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cmon dude sand king basically plays like a 3 position its not really a support
play a hard 5 like dazzle or ww so u can sit behind ur 3k carry and watch him "farm"
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On September 15 2015 17:46 Ler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 14:23 Yurie wrote: Can I suggest using Oracle, the hero with the lowest win rate in the current patch? Just to prove it isn't picking OP heroes. (Also to mess with your life.) Oracle is actually broken like Slothspirit, there are just not enough high MMR people abusing it °° I feel like I'd be better with oracle if I could accurately flames people in fights... i.e. not my teammates.
Also, I tried the usual channel Q -> instantly E and the heal didn't get purged off all 3 times I tried it... not sure if something changed / is bugged / im bad
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On September 15 2015 19:18 Kraznaya wrote: cmon dude sand king basically plays like a 3 position its not really a support
play a hard 5 like dazzle or ww so u can sit behind ur 3k carry and watch him "farm"
I want to show people how to win at 3k not lose.
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On September 15 2015 22:02 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 17:46 Ler wrote:On September 15 2015 14:23 Yurie wrote: Can I suggest using Oracle, the hero with the lowest win rate in the current patch? Just to prove it isn't picking OP heroes. (Also to mess with your life.) Oracle is actually broken like Slothspirit, there are just not enough high MMR people abusing it °° I feel like I'd be better with oracle if I could accurately flames people in fights... i.e. not my teammates. Also, I tried the usual channel Q -> instantly E and the heal didn't get purged off all 3 times I tried it... not sure if something changed / is bugged / im bad maybe ur channeling fortune's end for too long? flames has a longer range than fortunes too so as soon as i start casting fortunes, i cast flames.
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On September 15 2015 19:18 Kraznaya wrote: cmon dude sand king basically plays like a 3 position its not really a support
play a hard 5 like dazzle or ww so u can sit behind ur 3k carry and watch him "farm" theres a lot of "support" games where its simply just better to play a playmaking jungler, i find this really true for 3k and low 4k when its extremely common to see easy (aka free) ganks. strictly speaking i wouldnt care as long as hes buying wards and courier etc.
personally i think its actually easier to play dazzle/ww/witch doctor at high 4k and above since they're typically counter-throw heroes
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On September 15 2015 17:46 Ler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 14:23 Yurie wrote: Can I suggest using Oracle, the hero with the lowest win rate in the current patch? Just to prove it isn't picking OP heroes. (Also to mess with your life.) Oracle is actually broken like Slothspirit, there are just not enough high MMR people abusing it °° i dont believe that he can have as much game impact independent of teammate performance at all
like his ult definitely requires the target to know wtf is going on and know that its gonna happen
whereas when earth spirit goes in its pretty clear "oh we're all going in"
i think there's a good reason he isn't as common in high mmr as earth spirit and io, and it isn't just that he's newer
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On September 15 2015 22:43 GoofyDota wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 19:18 Kraznaya wrote: cmon dude sand king basically plays like a 3 position its not really a support
play a hard 5 like dazzle or ww so u can sit behind ur 3k carry and watch him "farm" I want to show people how to win at 3k not lose.
ok so you're basically playing a farming core role
misleading title
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On September 16 2015 09:31 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 22:43 GoofyDota wrote:On September 15 2015 19:18 Kraznaya wrote: cmon dude sand king basically plays like a 3 position its not really a support
play a hard 5 like dazzle or ww so u can sit behind ur 3k carry and watch him "farm" I want to show people how to win at 3k not lose. ok so you're basically playing a farming core role misleading title
Buying out wards and ganking every lane is not a farming core. An important component of good support play is finding farm while you're getting stuff done so that you can continue to impact the game. This fact in itself is important and I hope people who watch and follow my progress come to understand that.
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I've watched a couple of your games today and I think you need to learn how to support first before you do this challenge. To give an example, in your last game you played a jungle Sand King and you didn't buy a single ward or any detection the entire game. The roaming Bounty Hunter bought the observer wards and your mid Puck bought dust against their Mirana (ultimate). While you did win the game and had an impact doing so, I'm having a hard time labeling you as the support that game.
The game before that, you played Ancient Apparition. You rushed a midas and you didn't start buying observer wards until after you got it. The initial observer wards your teammate support bought had timed out and you were playing in the dark (quite literally, as it was during nighttime). While your team started really strong (6-0 or something like that), during this nighttime the other team turned it around. Next you bought all four observer wards but didn't make placing them your top priority. For a long time you had three observer wards in your inventory and the map was still dark. Your teams carry, I believe it was Phantom Assassin, died repeatedly trying to farm on this dark map. During the rest of this game, you bought some but not all of the observer wards. For instance I remember seeing your (offlane?) Puck buying some. Also, not once during this game did you buy sentry wards to deward their wards.
What I'm trying to say is that the result of this experiment or challenge will only mean as much as you allow it to. If you want to show the Dota community that you can get a high MMR by playing only support, then you have to actually play support. That means sacrificing your net worth by buying the wards and detection your team needs, as well as doing all the other things expected of a support. If you want to show that it is possible to get a high MMR playing position 3 initiators like your jungling Sand King then that's fine too, but based on your post that does not seem to be your goal.
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ya this blog should be retitled "Jungle SK to leaderboards" just like the previous one should be renamed "Abusing TI4 DP to leaderboards"
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On September 16 2015 19:59 Sr18 wrote: I've watched a couple of your games today and I think you need to learn how to support first before you do this challenge. To give an example, in your last game you played a jungle Sand King and you didn't buy a single ward or any detection the entire game. The roaming Bounty Hunter bought the observer wards and your mid Puck bought dust against their Mirana (ultimate). While you did win the game and had an impact doing so, I'm having a hard time labeling you as the support that game.
The game before that, you played Ancient Apparition. You rushed a midas and you didn't start buying observer wards until after you got it. The initial observer wards your teammate support bought had timed out and you were playing in the dark (quite literally, as it was during nighttime). While your team started really strong (6-0 or something like that), during this nighttime the other team turned it around. Next you bought all four observer wards but didn't make placing them your top priority. For a long time you had three observer wards in your inventory and the map was still dark. Your teams carry, I believe it was Phantom Assassin, died repeatedly trying to farm on this dark map. During the rest of this game, you bought some but not all of the observer wards. For instance I remember seeing your (offlane?) Puck buying some. Also, not once during this game did you buy sentry wards to deward their wards.
What I'm trying to say is that the result of this experiment or challenge will only mean as much as you allow it to. If you want to show the Dota community that you can get a high MMR by playing only support, then you have to actually play support. That means sacrificing your net worth by buying the wards and detection your team needs, as well as doing all the other things expected of a support. If you want to show that it is possible to get a high MMR playing position 3 initiators like your jungling Sand King then that's fine too, but based on your post that does not seem to be your goal.
This is 2 Minutes Into The game in question... Immediately after I've ganked mid for first blood.
Buying Wards Pre-Blink is actually quite a bad idea in pub games and often in competitive as sand king, in this instance you can see I've already picked one up in 2 minutes in a game where "I bought none." I then proceed to sacrifice myself several times for AM kills/track kills This game was essentially a stomp. Seems like you've got an agenda here but I'm not sure why. I could barely leave my base in the AA game...
If you're buying items "because you are a support" without weighing the pros and cons you need to re-evaluate the way you think about the game.
Consider a hypothetical in which you know spending your gold on wards would be a detriment to your team because your team would be in better shape if you bought items that allowed you to contribute.
Which decision makes you a better support? To buy or not to buy?
P.S Death Prophet was picked up in only 8% of Ti4 games, less even than Puck and Qop. But don't let getting time-frame wrong spoil the hate parade.
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On September 16 2015 22:17 GoofyDota wrote:This is 2 Minutes Into The game in question... Immediately after I've ganked mid for first blood. Buying Wards Pre-Blink is actually quite a bad idea in pub games and often in competitive as sand king, in this instance you can see I've already picked one up in 2 minutes in a game where "I bought none." I then proceed to sacrifice myself several times for AM kills/track kills This game was essentially a stomp. Seems like you've got an agenda here but I'm not sure why. I could barely leave my base in the AA game...
There is no need to be defensive, I'm not trying to put you down. I'm just giving you some feedback on how you can improve on your experiment. I want you to succeed.
Regarding the Sand King game, you buying a single observer ward does not suddenly make you a support. After that one observer ward that I missed in my previous post, you never bought another (I actually had to check the replay for this, in case I missed another ). You also never bought any detection against their Mirana or to deward. I'm not saying that it would have been better if you did do those things, I'm just saying that because you didn't (and you had to rely on your teammates to buy the wards and detection) you were not playing a support role that game. And that's the whole point of my previous post: if you want to show the community that you can climb the ranks playing exclusively support, you should actually play support.
Offtopic: Regarding the AA game: there is a reason that you couldn't leave your base, and that's the complete map control your opponents had because your team didn't have a support buying wards/dewarding.
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I watched your games yesterday and felt the same, to me you play like a 3, not like a 4/5. But watching you I'm also convinced what you want to do is not possible. It's pretty easy as a supp to lose a game, but IMO it's much harder to win it as a supp. If your cores suck, thsy suck, whatever ganks you setup early, ward/deward, even sacrifices for the greater good, you won't win a game as a supp.
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r u sure ur not just trying to show ur superiority to 3ks to feel special
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