RedBull/Summit 3 and Concerns on Majors
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ArchDC
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
On May 22 2015 07:15 ArchDC wrote: Always good to have discussion, I like both EE's comments and HolyMaster's response. End of the day just keep trying different stuff, EE's view is definitely biased towards players and there will always be a pull/tug between organizers, players, owners and viewers. Where is his response? | ||
the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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zev318
Canada4304 Posts
On May 22 2015 02:09 mutantmagnet wrote: For the same reason I don't like watching them. They aren't games of skill like the East vs West Conferences for Basketball or football. Instead it's a joke match. ARDM that we saw at TI4? (when rtz got void last) and some other tournament was the hypest shit ever. granted that was probably because it came down to the wire but the players who played seemed to enjoy it a lot and i think it was great for viewers. i think there was an all star match where they spawned like 90 roshans or something, that is not fun to watch. | ||
Yergidy
United States2107 Posts
On May 22 2015 06:03 mutantmagnet wrote: TS2 ARDM was the only all start game I look back at fondly. The game was enjoyable in many ways even if the quality was mediocre. But every other all star game whether it was TI, Starladder etc sucked. I personally tune out after the first 8 minutes if I don't like the vibe of the game. Keep in mind I'm biased against these types of show matches. If I watched an all star match in any other sport I expect the best of the best playing a legit game. I'm the type of fan that expects that level of play in Dota as well but a lot of other fans do like these irreverent games. I'm making a guess that if substantial money was on the line the participants wouldn't play like rodeo clowns which might be the reason the all star games in other scenes are serious. NFL all star game is much in the same vibe as the TI ones. | ||
FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 22 2015 10:19 Yergidy wrote: NFL all star game is much in the same vibe as the TI ones. Yep. So was MLB until they decided to rest home field advantage of the world series on the outcome (or something very similar; I don't watch baseball). | ||
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On May 22 2015 09:48 zev318 wrote: ARDM that we saw at TI4? (when rtz got void last) and some other tournament was the hypest shit ever. granted that was probably because it came down to the wire but the players who played seemed to enjoy it a lot and i think it was great for viewers. i think there was an all star match where they spawned like 90 roshans or something, that is not fun to watch. that was summit 2 ti4 was actually a fucking pathetic joke where they gave rtz techies (omg big hype reveal) and he had no clue how to play it and failed miserably while getting run over by a tryharding 430 | ||
nimdil
Poland3743 Posts
On May 22 2015 10:19 Yergidy wrote: NFL all star game is much in the same vibe as the TI ones. I don't really care about NFL. I don't get the attitude and I'm strongly against such behaviour. Players invited to this show matches are generally already well payed progamers with quite a following. They definitely can give a damn and try to play good match for an hour. Maybe they forget that esport tournaments are entertainment events for fans first, not fundraisers for them. | ||
Sbrubbles
Brazil5763 Posts
On May 22 2015 10:19 Yergidy wrote: NFL all star game is much in the same vibe as the TI ones. Well players often get injured in the NFL, so it's kind of understandable they'll play to avoid getting hurt (not sacking the qb, etc) when the game isn't worth anything. This shouldn't be a problem in dota | ||
Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
Summit of Bulls Red Summit Red Spirit Breaker Beyond the Bulls (rip Chicago) Bull Summit I'm trying :_: | ||
FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 23 2015 00:15 Howie_Dewitt wrote: BTS+RedBull Summit of Bulls Red Summit Red Spirit Breaker Beyond the Bulls (rip Chicago) Bull Summit I'm trying :_: Wings to the Summit | ||
iG.AndersonSilva
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 23 2015 02:21 iG.AndersonSilva wrote: Ehhhh...the players, they come to play. Put on good showmatch for fans is good, but that is bonus. They are players and they playmatch, not showers for showmatch. First entertainment come from the real games. If viewers want entertainment from showmatch, BTS invite twitch showers like the fluffy bunny and the voltron. Anderson believe animals and robots give good entertainment showmatch for the fans. Yeah but that's the thing. They get paid to play because of the fans. If the fans want to see them do it, it's not some ridiculous thing for them to just do it. Wow, one game in a tournament that isn't super tryhard. How can PROFESSIONALS cope with this. | ||
StarMoon
Canada682 Posts
Here's hoping the Major system allows for a bunch of great things for dota and doesn't royally fuck things up like WCS did for GSL. | ||
cArn-
Korea (South)824 Posts
On May 21 2015 14:33 Bench_5R wrote: Speaking of Nexon, does anyone know why the Korean Dota scene hasn't had any domestic leagues or tournaments since KDL in November? Have the organizations/Kespa given up on it? I always enjoyed watching the high production value Korean games. I feel like the Korean Dota scene is gonna stagnate like the rest of SEA if Nexon has stopped supporting the competitive teams. It's supposed to be happening but they're still figuring out the schedule so it's taking forever to get started.. that shit got me to end up leaving Korea, gonna write about it with more infos on whats going on with KDL etc when I get the time | ||
populis
Brazil88 Posts
Well thought opinions on Majors, they actually make sense. I sincerely hope the 4 Majors help grow Dota, but it's also a bit scary for small tournaments getting less attention from T1 teams and consequently from viewers. In a final remark, RedBull/BTS as the last Major would be totally fanfuckingtastic, but I don't think it's probable since TI is already hosted in USA, they would probably want an european host for it (assuming the other two are asian). | ||
eits
United States210 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On May 24 2015 11:28 eits wrote: Very well thought out blog EE. Hopefully there is a more standardized method of setting up PCs across tournies in the future, although I don't know what that would mean for sponsorships. There won't be, for like, a million reasons. | ||
Corgi
United States408 Posts
Although there was a lot of problems, in my opinion it’s clear that RedBull tried to take good care of the players. They even booked nicer hotels for the players and sent all the casters/other staff to an INN (LMFAO, that’s kinda mean ><). Hard to say. There are tons of inns out there that are easily comparable to hotels, if not better in some cases. Apparently RedBull was surprised by the need for practice PCS as their ESports comes from a starcraft II background and their players rarely need practice PCS. I don't buy Redbull's excuse as being surprised. With Redbull's esports background, the last thing they have is experience with Dota 2 and other sports. This sounds like a budget problem. Perhaps they should have spent less money on parties and go-karting and instead pay to ship some computers there. It's almost as if they are trying to impress you so you're more willing to choose their tournament over other tournaments in the future. Practice PCS in the hotel was available a few days before the event started, a lan cafe was booked if players wanted to use that as well. And people wondered if the compendiums made BTS any money at all. They used SSDs for their PCs so setting up was really fast, we even had them used for the practice PCs which has never been done in any other tournament. I thought TI3+ used SSDs in their PCs. There definitely were more commercials this time but the main reason for this is the length of the games being played. If there is less game time, there will be more commercial time. That’s just how things work. Or they could move the schedule up and have teams on standby. Like sports on TV. As for show matches, well the players don’t want to do them. Honestly the majority are here to watch BTS and they don't care about show matches. The only issue is that the schedule has such large break periods that the production value started to drop because there was nothing going on. This is on BTS no matter how you want to look at it. It has nothing to do with quality of games. Well first off what exactly is a major? Tournaments that feature as many of the top teams as they can around the world. They aren't regional based. Regional tournaments don't work for esports unless you want to segregate competition. Anyway, if anyone from the west should be hosting a major. I truly believe that it should be BTS, I’m honestly not even being bias. Disagree.I don't think BTS should be running a major given their background. To have a major, and be the biggest casting studio, with like 1 year of experience behind them as a group? That's rediculous. I want to see a major NA organization step up and run a major. Like MLG or Redbull. Leaving it to BTS would be like leaving it to a bunch of kids. Valve and the rest of the world have expectations here. This isn't some home grown tournament that BTS can just lay claim to no matter how good their tournament was. And you are being biased, your blog pretty much praises BTS in every single way. 3 Majors will be APAC, EMEA, Americas most likely. The 4th being TI. | ||
populis
Brazil88 Posts
Imagine if one day we could possibly have virtualized OS'es in the cloud pre-configured with Steam and Dota 2. Every reboot restores the machine to that pristine state. Sounds impossible, but maybe one day, not in a million years! | ||
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