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Is it just me or the new solo matchmaking RANKED got worse? With this new style in which teams have 35 seconds to discuss strategy, about 90% of the games I played the team don't discussed strategy...
The worst is not it, the worst is that the more flustered not even want to know what the team thinks will already picking the hero of his choice without even wanting to know the rest of the team, much less strategy...
I believe that if it were so, it would be better then go back to the way it was before, at least the time of choice of heroes was faster, since 90% do not think about strategy...
PS: This is the reality of South American servers, and + - 3450 (MMR climb is difficult because ALWAYS have that sucker fucks the game). What do you think of this new RANKED ??
Hugs, from Brazil []'s SopaDeGaivota
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I'm not sure. I was skeptical at first, since I just want to play dota rather than staring at pick screens. But I feel like picking stage planning might have gotten a bit better with the change, atleast for me.
On the difficulty of climbing: keep in mind that your opponents will also "ALWAYS have that sucker" fucking their game.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
all this change does is make me wait 2 minutes longer for a game
i couldnt care less what others pick
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the planning stage could be shorter but now each team has a choice to react to certain picks. the last second counterpicking was obnoxious and people randoming heroes just to repick right before the start was also questionable i like the new system but i would like to see -rd added to rankedmm
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On October 04 2014 02:17 TRAP[yoo] wrote: the planning stage could be shorter but now each team has a choice to react to certain picks. the last second counterpicking was obnoxious and people randoming heroes just to repick right before the start was also questionable i like the new system but i would like to see -rd added to rankedmm
I agree, having 7 people wait until the last second to pick was incredibly annoying and happened every. single. game.
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Teams' compositions have drastically improved in my experience.
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the real planning happens at the last 2, 3 picks anyways. Someone will instapick something, which is okay. Just plan around it as a 4th 5th, you can make a huge difference still
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Small sample size, but for me, it hasn't gotten any better. People still pick sniper. No one wants to play support. Calling a lane doesn't mean anything.
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Baltimore, USA22222 Posts
To this day I cannot fathom why the fucking fuck RD is not in ranked. best pub game mode IMO.
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Apart from the fact that u can actually pick whatever the fuck u want in RD or wat?
I mean even in that circumstance the ordering is quite nice and better than old and new AP both
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RD was my most played mode before ranked came out. New AP is pretty much that, but all the heroes available to you instead of just 22(?). I think it is a clear improvement over before where nobody still said anything, but it was impossible to pick with others to get decent teams.
I mean it can still happen where you get 5 carries no supports, but it is a lot less likely now and people are more willing to make room for other picks.
Anecdotally, just had a game where we had an LC, WK, Tusk and Phoenix pick and the last guy had asked for mid. He switched it up, went Rubick and played some of the best support we could have asked for. Also WK willingly moved into the jungle and gave me as Phoenix solo offlane and let LC take the lane farm.
It's just one game out of a few that I've played now, but I think it at least has calmed a bit of the chaos that regular AP is.
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On October 04 2014 01:56 Targe wrote: all this change does is make me wait 2 minutes longer for a game
i couldnt care less what others pick What this guy said.
All it does it make my games take longer to start for little if any benefit. It's annoying and not worth it.
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I prefer this new version of ap, adds a little bit more to the drafting phase. Captains modes never truely were a option for solo ranked and I never liked regular ap in ranked.
If you just want to get to the game without thinking picks just do unranked. I never liked half assing and blind picking shitty heroes in ranked, I have to make up for being bad by tryharding where possible.
I do have to join the voices wondering why RD isn't in ranked though.
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I think it's about the same, maybe a tiny bit better in quality
I do miss being able to repick though. Even if you didn't random - sometimes I feel like playing a hero but decide it's not worth it if the rest of the picks on my team is shit. most of the time I'd get my hero but occasionally I'd repick if the lanes were retarded enough that I wouldn't even enjoy playing my hero (like laning am with a melee core or something)
I agree - random draft best pub mode by far. dodge the cancerous fotm picks most games, get a decent lineup usually
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On October 04 2014 01:56 Targe wrote: all this change does is make me wait 2 minutes longer for a game
i couldnt care less what others pick
Then play unranked. There's a hidden MMR in place, so you will still play the people of your skill level. Easy fix, no?
I can only view this as a good thing.
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On October 04 2014 05:33 EvilTeletubby wrote: To this day I cannot fathom why the fucking fuck RD is not in ranked. best pub game mode IMO.
Exactly this! Gimme back my RD.
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I play in south american RMM in 3700~4000 MMR bracket and while people dont discuss a strat for the game literally, they do discuss what picks would be good against what the other team is picking or what comboes with what we already have and etc, some people are obnoxious but at least 2 or 3 people per match normally care about what both teams are picking, also it's easier to plan the lanes with more time(my favorite part of the new syste), you're exaggerating this matter greatly imo. A lot of antissocial behavior happens but it happen exactly because people are discussing picks. I like the new ranked ap, it could be 25 seconds instead of 40 imo.
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On October 04 2014 01:56 Targe wrote: all this change does is make me wait 2 minutes longer for a game
i couldnt care less what others pick Is your ingame name something like "mid or techies"?
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A lot of people don't watch team composition, and end up getting flamed if they make dumb picks. Fuck pubs :L
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On October 04 2014 14:37 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 01:56 Targe wrote: all this change does is make me wait 2 minutes longer for a game
i couldnt care less what others pick Is your ingame name something like "mid or techies"? its 'fuck you team i pick what i want'
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My experiences have been better on Ranked AP. I still get about the same W/R but I enjoy the game quite more.
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I actually prefer the new AP since it "forces" your teammates to look at your picks as well as your opponent's...
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The new game mode is 10x better then everyone last picking lmao... That was the stupidest thing in the whole game next to Peruvians and Russians on US East saying nothing but jajaja..
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28057 Posts
I'm starting to warm up to the new mode. It can sometimes suck when the opposite team uses every last second of their picks and completely counters your team though. But otherwise it seems better.
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i hate the new allpick, it has lost me games by forcing me into support or random
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Russian Federation194 Posts
I always get 3 others that are talking but just like before that one guy doesnt talk and just picks a jungle lifestealer or doom and does nothing all game with an 11 minute midas and useless until the game is over. Just pubs being pubs.
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It's great. As a player with a wide hero and role pool (at my given skill level), I can more readily use that to my advantage. It's really hard to think of a good pick when I have around 5 seconds to do it without being hard countered. For someone who prefers Random Draft and Captains Mode, this is a much more bearable version of All Pick, especially when solo. I even have time to help my team with picks.
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28057 Posts
On October 06 2014 18:02 bigglesbiggles wrote: It's great. As a player with a wide hero and role pool (at my given skill level), I can more readily use that to my advantage. It's really hard to think of a good pick when I have around 5 seconds to do it without being hard countered. For someone who prefers Random Draft and Captains Mode, this is a much more bearable version of All Pick, especially when solo. I even have time to help my team with picks. Yeah, I'm starting to like it a bit more now. I usually go mid in solo queue, and I just ask my team if I can pick 4th or 5th. Really helps when I want to play Storm and I can make sure they don't already have doom/sky/silencer/etc.
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My very limited experience sais: People pick a bit smarter. People still pick shit they have absolutely no clue how to play. People now start shouting at each other even before the game starts.
But the added extra wait time actually makes CM more attractive to me. (The staggering hting about CM is the amount of wannabe Captains with absolutely no clue whatsoever that just go "lets pick 5 random strong heroes, no matter what our opponents pick")... I normally don't go captain because i'm not great at drafting, but the shit that some captains "force you" to Play is beyond Imagination.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
Lol I just have people muted and first pick
I wonder if people are shouting at me
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Targe, how do you mute people in the picking screen? I need this talent when someone decided I need to hear the new Miley Cyrus over Valve's VOIP system.
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voice_enable 0 in console and tick the mute all chat button in the chatbox
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
what sn0_man said or you've got to have fast hands and mute everyone whilst they load
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I always load last cuz its always my first game of the day huehuehue
thus I need other methods
(I've actually never muted people before they started being idiots, but I understand why and how)
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Russian Federation3329 Posts
Can't they just bring RD to ranked please??? it's the best mode ever created~ or at least to shorten the picking stage, do RD style with the whole hero pool... It shortens the picking phase yet still stops the waiting till the last second picking crap
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Agree on that, ranked RD would be cool.
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It would filter out the players who demand their set hero every game, that is for sure. No more instant TA pickers.
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On October 04 2014 05:16 B1nary wrote: Small sample size, but for me, it hasn't gotten any better. People still pick sniper. No one wants to play support. Calling a lane doesn't mean anything.
There's nothing wrong with sniper.
You probably whine about playing support too
Calling a lane is the dumbest shit ever for entitled babies
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On October 08 2014 02:17 harodihg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 05:16 B1nary wrote: Small sample size, but for me, it hasn't gotten any better. People still pick sniper. No one wants to play support. Calling a lane doesn't mean anything. There's nothing wrong with sniper. You probably whine about playing support too Calling a lane is the dumbest shit ever for entitled babies
Calling a lane when you pick a hero like shadow fiend or invoker, doesn't make you entitled. There is no reason why if you have picked a clear mid hero, that someone picks another one and contests you for the lane. Unless he meant calling his lane before he even knows what hero he is gonna pick, because that's just not gonna work in pubs. I find people watch what you have picked, but they don't read chat or look at the icons you can place on the mini map at all.
Overall i like the new allpick, except if for the sheer amount of people who refuse, or say they know how to play support but have no clue. This means you're often delegated to support game after game watching at least one of your cores fail at last hitting on occasion and then never making a bkb vs the likes of tide/sandking/skyrath +2.(this is actually my biggest problem with pubs, if you're playing a carry you need a bkb like 90% of the time and no not as your 6th item, its a pub people aren't coordinated enough to save you, or you'll be blown up so fast you are no longer useful in the fight) The alternative is you have to be that guy who instant picks a core, and pray that your team doesn't follow your lead and you have a 5 core best core lineup. Unfortunately this is a problem with the player base vs the ideal lineup and no game mode is going to fix that. I've tried playing CM and CD with incomplete stacks or solo, but the problems there are a whole other issue for another day.
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On October 04 2014 01:56 Targe wrote: all this change does is make me wait 2 minutes longer for a game
i couldnt care less what others pick
I like random. I don't like waiting.
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Honestly? I think the new AP is pretty good. Sure you have the self-entitled individuals who'll always go ahead and pick what they want and roll with it but it's not like there's anything that can be done to change that. At the very least it allows more thought to go into your own pick. If you want to play a carry of some sort, you can still suggest that idea and put your hero icon wherever but if your team doesn't co-operate you at least have a chance to react and pick something sensible. As well it allows for less stacked teams hero-wise I feel.
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On October 17 2014 22:40 OdnoB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:17 harodihg wrote:On October 04 2014 05:16 B1nary wrote: Small sample size, but for me, it hasn't gotten any better. People still pick sniper. No one wants to play support. Calling a lane doesn't mean anything. There's nothing wrong with sniper. You probably whine about playing support too Calling a lane is the dumbest shit ever for entitled babies Calling a lane when you pick a hero like shadow fiend or invoker, doesn't make you entitled.
Just to be clear here: I'm not talking about picking a hero and wanting a certain lane with it, I'm talking about the people who type "mid" during the loading screen.
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